Rare keeps franchises

Discussion in 'Console Industry' started by Ozymandis, Sep 21, 2002.

  1. Guest

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    N-fans relaz. :D
    So old time buddy RARE is gone, but Nintendo got a sweet USD200m off the deal, they had also bought RETRO for USD10m awhile ago and MP is getting great previews. Capcom, Sega, Square, Enix and Namco are announcing more support to come.

    It is not all lost for the Cube. :oops:
     
  2. Qroach

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    They bought retro for 1 million, not 10 as far as i can remember. Unless I read an article with a typo...
     
  3. Qroach

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    Grall,

    You could only hope. It doesn't take long to really understand the xbox hardware. It only takes a few months from what I've seen and I'm sure you'll see a game shown or annouced at X02 later this month that will come out this year. Rare has lot's of talented people so don't kid yourself that they can't still make a good game.
     
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    uhm, guess you were sleeping, because Fund Q has been used to get development teams to make games, Nintendo has added a shload of internal first party teams, they are kicking out more first party games than EVER, even compared to the NES era.
     
  5. Qroach

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    Umm, geuss you were sleeping, but what games are these you're talking about? You mean the sega arcade fzero and capacom arcade starfox? What else you got, becuase I've barely seen a "shitload" like you say...
     
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    Quincy, you are such an f-boi, I can't possibly understand how you managed to miss the fact what I wrote was to be taken as a joke, with the amount of smileys I sprinkled it with and all. ...Unless you deliberately chose to disregard them, which I at this point consider quite probable (they mysteriously disappeared in your quoting for example), and you do have a serious tendency to quickly jump up in defense of your preferred console. Too quickly even.

    The outrageousness of my claim alone should have told you it was meant as sarcasm dude. What's your major malfunction? Can't you just RELAX?


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    The specifics of any part of the deal haven't been announced yet, the amount of money involved is just as much guess work and rumour as what franchises Nintendo may have let MS have.. but then that doesn't seem to stop you from talking about possible RareWare exclusive XBox games does it ;)

    I heard that RareWare cost MS £350 million, which is $550 million. Also I wonder how much extra MS paid for Perfect Dark, Conker and Banjo (if Nintendo did indeed sell them)? Well one things for sure, Nintendo was in no particular need to sell them so we can assume that MS had to pay through the nose to get them, another $150 million possibly. I wouldn't be suprised if Nintendo came out of this with over $400 million!

    Heh, this coming from the person that accused me of posting a fanish comment in that thread about XBox delays, practice what you preach ;)

    My point was that article has no actual comments from Nintendo, RareWare or MS regarding these franchises. It just seemed like one journalist, who didn't even know the difference between Rare LTD and RareWare LTD assuming that these franchises were owned by the company MS are buying. I have no idea if the mentioned franchises will go to MS, they may very well be sold to MS by Nintendo as part of the RareWare deal, but as of yet we have seen no actual announcement. I suppose we'll see later this month.

    Oh my, I think your in dream world here. You really think RareWare will announce a game in Late September and have it out less then three months later?... you really haven't be following RareWare have you.

    Oh they can still make good games alright, given allot of time and some help.
     
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    Grall,

    Chill out dude, for one thing, when you copy and past text, the smilies on this board are images that don't get copied along. Second, I don't usually notice the smiklies, I think they are over used.

    Wow, and you're telling me to relax while you're getting all spaz like. For one thing, there's LOT's of outragous claims made on this board if you haven't noticed and it's pretty tough to pick out the sarcasm with the majority of comments around here.
     
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    USD550m for RARE and USD1m for RETRO isnt that bad.
    Nintendo can use that lot of cash to invest in other things. :oops:
     
  10. archie4oz

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    Seiken Densetsu for the AGB, and FF: Crystal Chronicle for starters..
     
  11. Qroach

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    Teasy,

    Would you please seperate your responses to the people you are directing them too? instead of just responding to everyone in a single post?

    I wasn't, "preaching" anything. I have no idea what you mean by that. What I do know is that some of the title syou listed, like Phantasy star online 1& 2 are all coming to Xbox. So as i was saying before, listing games you can get on other paltforms was something some of us wanted to avoid. I guess, the GC lineup just got a little weaker without any other Rare titles and the games cancelled in developement there. You should also practice what you preach.

    Also, wait for X02 event, there MAY be another game development surprise there for xbox gamers this fall.

    Obviously this person has some inside information. Part of the deal would probably be that nobody can say anything about who purchased the stock until it's officially annouced. That's a pretty typical way to handle a sale like this.

    Snap out iof it Teasy, obviously if all they did was switch development platforms for a game that was already underway, it would be possible. At the very least, I'm certain they will show the first title to be released on Xbox at the X02 event, even if it's only video. It may be this year, may be next year, no matter.

    Yes and that speedster at devleoping games Nintendo, is what you're judging this by? :roll: I'd wonder where they got that from.
     
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    uhm no, I said first party...and second goes with that
    Nintendo is putting out more first party games than EVER in thier history..
    Luigis mansion
    Pikmin
    Super Mario Sunshine
    Doshin the Giant
    Animal Leader
    Animal Crossing
    mario Kart
    Mario party 4
    the meoth Game
    Wario World
    Zelda
    Super Smash bros Melee
    Metroid Prime
    Mario Golf
    Mario Tennis

    the list goes on for a while, not to mention all the second party games..and
    GBA works
    that is a lot of games in one year from only the Big N
    back in the old days you were lucky to see 3-4 games a YEAR..
    plus the fact the Fund Q was only put into effect a little over a year ago, that was just to scout out new talent and help others..
    much of it went to Squares new company, that allowed a final fantasy game on th cube
    and Zoonami, which are as you know, ex Rare employees, making cube exclusive games..

    thats quite a bit, if you dont agree, get your head checked
     
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    :roll: You didn't say a thing about second parties, so don't act like you did. you said they were releasing more "first party titles" than ever. I don't see any evidence of this yet. Out of your list, LESS than half of the games have actually been released as of now! I'd hardly call the actual release list below a "shitload". I even added a few you missed.

    So I completly fail to see how FUNQ has helped them add a "shit load" of internal first party dev teams.

    Games that are out
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    Luigis mansion
    Pikmin
    Super Mario Sunshine
    Super Smash bros Melee
    Animal Crossing
    Eternal darkness
    Waverace


    Games that aren't out
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    Metroid Prime
    Mario Golf
    Mario Tennis
    Doshin the Giant
    Wario World
    Zelda
    mario Kart
    Mario party 4
    the meoth Game
    Animal Leader (isn't this the japanese version of animal crossing?)


    uh huh, so says the crazy person. ;)
     
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    and the majority of the games that are not out will be in less than a month or two...(and I only added second party because I am not 100 percent clear on who made what)..

    so that list is not a lot ?
    then XBox fanboy tell us this, how many first party games did MS put out this year? they only published 6, thats how many...
    so you do the math...
     
  15. Qroach

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    Can you name which ones?

    Did anyone here SAY that MS released more first party titles this year? NO. Also I fail to see how MS first party titles are relevant to Nintendo and FUNQ being used on the development of first party titles. Let me sum up the argument... Fund Q hasn't provided the development of a "shitload" first party/internal of games as you say it has. "Do the math"...
     
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    within the next two months we will see

    Metroid Prime
    Mario Party 4
    and supposedly Mario Golf, Mario Tennis
    and Cubivore(animal Leader, and no, its not Animal Crossing, thats Animal
    Forest in japan)

    thats more than double what MS published in a year, and more about 3 times what Nintendo has been able to get out inhouse in that amount of time in the past, not to mention all the deals they are making..

    Saying the fund Q is BS because you have seen no results in a year, is like saying MS buying Rare is BS because you have seen no Xbox games from them yet.

    Get over yourself
    I know you think your a genius, but thats only in your own
    Microsoft Laden Brain.
     
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    For one thing, Cubivore is not a first party title. Nitnendo is only the publisher from what I've read. Either way you look at it. Fund-Q hasn't provided a shit load of games as you say it has.


    More than Double than what MS published? You're kidding right? MS published/funded the development of 14 titles in total. Not many of them developed in house because they don't have anywhere close to the amount of developers in house nintendo has. So yes Nintndo has more in house first party titles... That's also not including the games like DOA or Sega titles they also published. or Also, what does this have to do with Fund-Q??


    WHERE did I say fund-Q is BS? Get your facts straight! Infact i didn't really say anything other than "where is Fund-Q" that was going to be used for development. You completely missed the point of that statement! The point IS, we haven't seen much if ANYTHING come out of Fund-Q as of yet, so what makes you want to believe that nintendo is just going to use the money they got from the sale for more development. Even if they say they will. If they wantd more development they had 7 billion in cash they could have already used, and for some reason they chose NOT too! If you can't comprehend that, then I suggest not continuing with the conversation.

    Wow, that really hurt :roll: if you can't argue wth something that seems logical, resort to name calling. How could I forget that's the equivalent of a "Plan B" tactic when arguing in a forum? Classic, and rather lame imo.
     
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    Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles. And most likely more to come, especially after Nintendo is now 250m POUNDS richer. :lol:

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    I'm really loving the art direction on Chronicles....much more of an old school throwback than FF9 was.
     
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    Number one PSO is supposed to be different on GameCube then it is on XBox, its supposed to have extra levels and characters. Secondly did you not include Splinter Cell in list after list as a XBox exclusive even though its coming to both PS2 and GameCube?

    Oh yeah, losing Brute Force and Panzer is really allot like losing Kameo and some other unanounced games that wouldn't come out until 2004 isn't it. Especially when you then gain $400 million to strengthen dev support.

    Why is that so obvious then? Why would I assume he has inside info rather then just being totally ignorant to the difference between Rare LTD and RareWare LTD?

    MS may very well buy some of the franchises applicable to what Rare may want to produce in the future, but that article does not confirm that. Infact he just seems to think that RareWare already own the games, they don't.

    What game did they even have announced for GameCube for this year appart from SFA?.. they have nothing anywhere near ready to port to XBox AFAICS considering they had nothing scheduled for this year and they always miss there original release dates anyway.

    Now that is very possible yeah.

    No, I'm judging this by every game RareWare ever made on N64, Nintendo didn't help them with every game they made.

    Anyway, either MS lets them take forever and maybe gets great games (if they can still create great games without Nintendo's help and the help of the guys at Zoonami and Free Radical) or they can rush them and lose the polish that makes there games good in the first place.
     
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