Qualcomm Snapdragon g3x gaming platform

Kaotik said:
It has DX12 including raytracing
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Then I was misled by this gentleman here
or that one also: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Qualc...Adreno-GPU-Benchmarks-and-Specs.763558.0.html
 
Ailuros said:
Then I was misled by this gentleman here
or that one also: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Qualc...Adreno-GPU-Benchmarks-and-Specs.763558.0.html
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Hmm, strange. Pretty sure I saw it specifically mentioned in some official materials, have to dig when I have the time.
They do list DirectX 12 on the specs but that's it on quick glance on phone late in night shift.
Edit: also it would be 2 gens old, they have 2 gens of RT on mobile SoC
 
Kaotik said:
Hmm, strange. Pretty sure I saw it specifically mentioned in some official materials, have to dig when I have the time.
They do list DirectX 12 on the specs but that's it on quick glance on phone late in night shift.
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Of course is the whole affair strange. Notebookcheck mentions DirectX 12 FL 11.1, which is DX12 support but only feature level 11.1 if true.
 
Ailuros said:
Of course is the whole affair strange. Notebookcheck mentions DirectX 12 FL 11.1, which is DX12 support but only feature level 11.1 if true.
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Tom's hardware also states that the GPU does not support RT in this french article
So yeah, it seems this SoC is equipped with a 2 gens old GPU. It may sound weird, but at the same time, this GPU seems in line with M2 and 780M, so job done.
I guess they keep the newer gens for upcoming SoC as free "innovation" for the next few years. Why give everything now when you can entice customers with more powerful GPUs for the next few years?
 
Chiimaero said:
Tom's hardware also states that the GPU does not support RT in this french article
So yeah, it seems this SoC is equipped with a 2 gens old GPU. It may sound weird, but at the same time, this GPU seems in line with M2 and 780M, so job done.
I guess they keep the newer gens for upcoming SoC as free "innovation" for the next few years. Why give everything now when you can entice customers with more powerful GPUs for the next few years?
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Considering QCOM's smartphone ULP SoCs GPUs are >DX11 for generations now and they already have there RT support in hw, it doesn't make sense from any marketing POV. In fact it's what I'd call a marketing oxymoron, since DX12 was a "necessity" for the past few years now under Android, but not for a future low end PC and or laptop?
 
Ailuros said:
Considering QCOM's smartphone ULP SoCs GPUs are >DX11 for generations now and they already have there RT support in hw, it doesn't make sense from any marketing POV. In fact it's what I'd call a marketing oxymoron, since DX12 was a "necessity" for the past few years now under Android, but not for a future low end PC and or laptop?
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That's a weird case for sure. I guess we'll have to wait a bit more till the thing can be properly reviewed.
Maybe we have incorrect informations, maybe the drivers are not ready, maybe it's some hybrid GPU and is still very modern but lacks some parts, maybe it's not marketing but some technical limitations or aggressive roadmap issue (which could fit the marketing cause). Still, a situation where you artificially throttle down your products so you're guarantee to have smth better to offer the next year sound very marketing to me.

I read somewhere that windows 11 will mandate ~45-50Tops "NPU" to enable their AI stuff. This may mean there is little incentive to go beyond if the OS won't use the additional possibilities.
So in 2025, surely they won't offer much improved CPUs (given how good Oryon are, I guess we'll only get minor incremental updates), AI may stagnate for some time (because of windows). This leaves you with GPU improvements to impress customers.
Well, I stopped trying to understand marketing a long time ago, so it's likely just me being pessimistic here.
 
Karamazov said:
New Qualcomm Snapdragon 8 Elite mobile annouced

Snapdragon 8 Elite Mobile Platform

The Snapdragon 8 Elite Mobile Platform is performance transformed.
www.qualcomm.com www.qualcomm.com
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Qualcomm says Snapdragon 8 Elite is the fastest SOC in the world.

Qualcomm has introduced the Snapdragon 8 Elite, and it claims the design is the fastest-ever mobile system on a chip — in part because it brings PC-oriented computing cores to your phone.

The new SoC is the first mobile-oriented part to use the same Oryon CPU technology found in PC chips like the Snapdragon X Elite, rather than the Kryo cores from before. That theoretically leads to better on-device AI, including multimodal models and even “advanced” photo processing.

Qualcomm also claims better overall performance, including 45% single- and multi-core speedups versus the 8 Gen 3 as well as 62% greater responsiveness in Chrome. And yes, gaming gets some help — the Snapdragon 8 Elite is billed as the first mobile platform to support full Nanite elements in Unreal Engine 5.3. In other words, games based on that engine could have the near-photorealistic detail previously reserved for high-end console and PC implementations.
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It will be a while before real-world testing shows how the Elite fares against the competition, including Apple’s A18 Pro and MediaTek’s Dimensity 9400. Both tout improved on-device AI as well as significant gains in general performance. Notably, Apple also touts console-quality versions of games like Death Stranding and Resident Evil Village that aren’t available on Android — greater frame rates might not matter if the titles aren’t there.

There’s also the question of practicality. As we saw in our Pixel 9 and 9 Pro XL reviews, an ostensibly slower SoC can feel as fast or faster thanks to an optimized design or streamlined software.

The generational performance claims are some of the largest seen in a long time, though, and early tests hint the Snapdragon 8 Elite might beat the A18 Pro. Qualcomm in recent years has frequently found itself playing catch-up. Now, it might take a clear lead and hold that position for several months.
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wco81 said:
Qualcomm says Snapdragon 8 Elite is the fastest SOC in the world.



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"Notably, Apple also touts console-quality versions of games like Death Stranding and Resident Evil Village that aren’t available on Android — greater frame rates might not matter if the titles aren’t there."

Indeed. All this power is useless if you can't make use of it. I don't understand why Qualcomm is not taking some money into their hands and port more high performant apps over. They didn't even do it on the PC ARM platform.
 
Dampf said:
They didn't even do it on the PC ARM platform.
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They're supposed to be running the x86-versions there well enough not to make native worth it. Maybe it could be worth it one day if there's more players to share the costs (or even enough market to justify devs doing it straight)
 
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