PS3 launch info

shred5 said:
Because if they release early and have few games and they dont look very good because the developers had no time to polish the game.. MS wins because of perception.. The casual gamer will think the 360 is more powerfull because the games look better and there are allot more of them...
MS delivered their beta devkit later than Sony. How do you assume XB360 developers could polish games while PS3 devs can't?
 
one said:
MS delivered their beta devkit later than Sony. How do you assume XB360 developers could polish games while PS3 devs can't?

By the time the ps3 ships the 360 will be starting its second gen.... It wont be launch game vs launch game...
 
shred5 said:
By the time the ps3 ships the 360 will be starting its second gen....
No it won't. It takes 2 years minimum to produce anything even remotely advanced these days. If PS3 launches in the spring of 06, that's only about 6 months "headstart".

You also don't factor in that those 6 months won't be lost to PS3 developers. That's 6 months extra to polish PS3 launch games that x360 devs didn't have. Your entire post reeks of lack of vision and/or bias.
 
Guden Oden said:
No it won't. It takes 2 years minimum to produce anything even remotely advanced these days. If PS3 launches in the spring of 06, that's only about 6 months "headstart".

You also don't factor in that those 6 months won't be lost to PS3 developers. That's 6 months extra to polish PS3 launch games that x360 devs didn't have. Your entire post reeks of lack of vision and/or bias.

according to devlopers' coments xbox 360 beta kits has been around since last fall, ps3 beta kits since last summer, you do the math
 
<nu>faust said:
according to devlopers' coments xbox 360 beta kits has been around since last fall, ps3 beta kits since last summer, you do the math

360 beta kits arrived at the end of this summer/beginning of this fall. It was literally only a month or two ago. PS3 "beta" kits arrived sometime in the summer, I think?
 
Titanio said:
360 beta kits arrived at the end of this summer/beginning of this fall. It was literally only a month or two ago. PS3 "beta" kits arrived sometime in the summer, I think?
yep you are right sorry for the confusion ,i mixed up my alpha and beta kits
 
well the thing got me confused was contradicting comments from different dev sources.(of couse unreliable nature of videogame media helps too ) Acccording to some sources, devs like bizarre got started to get their xbox 360 beta kits right after E3 and then there were reports of developers still not getting their 360 beta kits untill late summer. Plus the way that media uses the term "dev kits" is far from being clear. According to a recent cvg report, Rockstar got their ps3 dev kits and started working on their ps3 project as late as august but its not clear what they mean by dev kits, are they beta kit?s, are they alpha?,why would rockstar wait to get their hand on beta kits to start their projects?i simply don't know.

From what i know microsoft has already started to roll out their final dev kits and sony is supposed to supply the dev with the reference tools around december. So that still gives ms an at least 3 months of advantage. As i said before since there are so many contradicting&confusing reports out there im not sure about the time table. I'd aprreciate of somebody with reliable info shares it with us.
 
<nu>faust said:
well the thing got me confused was contradicting comments from different dev sources.(of couse unreliable nature of videogame media helps too ) Acccording to some sources, devs like bizarre got started to get their xbox 360 beta kits right after E3 and then there were reports of developers still not getting their 360 beta kits untill late summer. Plus the way that media uses the term "dev kits" is far from being clear. According to a recent cvg report, Rockstar got their ps3 dev kits and started working on their ps3 project as late as august but its not clear what they mean by dev kits, are they beta kit?s, are they alpha?,why would rockstar wait to get their hand on beta kits to start their projects?i simply don't know.

From what i know microsoft has already started to roll out their final dev kits and sony is supposed to supply the dev with the reference tools around december. So that still gives ms an at least 3 months of advantage. As i said before since there are so many contradicting&confusing reports out there im not sure about the time table. I'd aprreciate of somebody with reliable info shares it with us.

Again nu that is just not correct. The way I understand it what PS3 devs are getting in December is what Xbox360 devs received at the end of the summer. The 3 full months to program on final kits. If the PS3 is released in March then it would be the same amount of time for both devs on both sides (ie about 3 months).

And what R* received last August was what Square, Konami, and Guerrilla received Alpha kits. Sony didn't have beta out last year.
 
<nu>faust said:
As i said before since there are so many contradicting&confusing reports out there im not sure about the time table.
Hope this clears it up...
http://media.ps3.ign.com/articles/635/635630/imgs_1.html

What's important here is that PS3 devkits have had Cell and a GPU similar to RSX in its first devkit since as early as the beginning of this year while Xbox 360 devkits got the CPU and the GPU that have the same characteristics as the real console only a couple months ago. In PS3's case everything except for VRAM bandwidth is promised to improve but for Xbox 360 it's not as simple as that. For example, general-purpose CPU performance declined in a Xbox 360 beta kit.
 
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