Well, I'm on my third XB360 and I can assure you that the unit is in a room with year-round 68-deg F temperature, with *ample* (it sits on its own cart with multiple feet of clearance) ventilation beyond what normal users are expected to it. Seeing MS's shoddy layout, I guess I'm not surprised. Microsoft isn't exactly a company known for quality 1.0 engineering, as Vista will prove shortly.
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Democoder, I trust you. If you have a complain then something is really wrong.
Hmmmmm:
- hot console
- lots of customers reports of hardware problems
- cheap PC style mobo looks
Maybe they are waiting a new version of internet to deliver a HSP (Hardware Service Pack)
Microsoft should send its employes to some engineering quality course.
Specially about robust design.
Hmmmmm:
- hot console
- lots of customers reports of hardware problems
- cheap PC style mobo looks
Maybe they are waiting a new version of internet to deliver a HSP (Hardware Service Pack)
Microsoft should send its employes to some engineering quality course.
Specially about robust design.
Basically, I think if it breaks again, I'll wait for the HDMI+HD-DVD SKU.
The PS3 is a different issue. I actually think the SKU with the EE+GS will be more valuable. I don't believe software emulation of the GS will ever be 100% unless the damn thing is emulated by CELL, much like old Commodore 64/AtariST/Amiga emulators do. People do lots of weird stuff with the GS that don't neccessarily map well to the RSX. It's much more likely that the EE+GS version can be made 100%, and alot quicker than the full software version. At worst, they may need to create a virtual DVD drive on the HD for games which have weird CD/DVD timing issues.
So, a later SKU may fix any heat/noise/failures in the PS3 HW, but the lack of EE+GS might be a negative. (Hell, initial PSPs are FAR more valuable due to 1.0-1.5 firmware)
The PS3 is a different issue. I actually think the SKU with the EE+GS will be more valuable. I don't believe software emulation of the GS will ever be 100% unless the damn thing is emulated by CELL, much like old Commodore 64/AtariST/Amiga emulators do. People do lots of weird stuff with the GS that don't neccessarily map well to the RSX. It's much more likely that the EE+GS version can be made 100%, and alot quicker than the full software version. At worst, they may need to create a virtual DVD drive on the HD for games which have weird CD/DVD timing issues.
So, a later SKU may fix any heat/noise/failures in the PS3 HW, but the lack of EE+GS might be a negative. (Hell, initial PSPs are FAR more valuable due to 1.0-1.5 firmware)
Awesome, much better than PCwatch. Going to read now.
Edit: Somewhat poor job compared to the 360 teardown, but I think this was by Kubicki not Anand. They didn't give any technical insight or even die shots..maybe it's just the Dailytech quick and dirty version and they will do better later..but I doubt it.
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I am in the process of returning my 4th replacement 360 (and the system is equally well cared for as DemoCoders). I do think the biggest problem is that the contracted service centres don't properly check the systems. 2 of the refurbished 360s died of "3 red lights" or lock-ups rather shortly after receiving them (which seems to indicate they haven't properly been repaired / diagnosed), one only turned on the second time you tried to switch it on, and the last replacement unit has a broken sync button.
Well, they were for a while. But then you could downgrade 2.0, and then you could downgrade 2.5, and then you could downgrade 2.71 ...
iSuppli estimated BOM:
http://www.isuppli.com/news/default.asp?id=6919&m=11&y=2006
Remember, just estimates..
http://www.isuppli.com/news/default.asp?id=6919&m=11&y=2006
Remember, just estimates..
Pricey! Nice to see a full breakdown that isn't attributing crazy costs to various components. And buying the 60Gb model is doing Sony a big favour!
I can not for the life of me understand why a BR drive would cost $125 when a DVD drive costs < $20. The only real difference is the blue laser diode (assembled in a more complex head, but still), right ?
And $148 for other components and manufacturing... What other components, the only one I see missing is the PCB ?
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And $148 for other components and manufacturing... What other components, the only one I see missing is the PCB ?
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It looks like they're including the GDDR3 cost with the chip, since it's not referenced anywhere else in the BoM. Still seems a bit on the steep side though, taking that into account.
The precision of the whole mechanism also needs to be much much more accurate, which i'm sure raises the cost (and the fault rate!).
I agree that the whole estimate is a bit on the dear side... $129 for RSX when i - a consumer - can get a whole 7900 board (with memory and all) for $199 - and these are sold at a profit! There is no way a chip like RSX costs $129 to produce, that's a ludicrous statement, and that's even before taking into account the huge discounts Sony would get from having ordered millions of the bloody things. Who's making them anyway? Nvidia or Sony?
You linked to a 7900GS. Which, while being g71 based like RSX, only has 20 pixel shaders and 7 vertex shaders active, is clocked lower and with slower memory.
So I think the $129 is probably pretty close to the real cost of a GPU with 256MB RAM mounted on a substrate similar to what mobile GPUs use.
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The only difference would be that tracks are packed closer together, on the other hand DVDs (12x) spin faster so the stabilizing mechanics/electronics needs to deal with a lot more wobble (and focus).
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