Proof they blew up WTC 7

[diarrhea_splatter]

Prove it. 8)

...you will just cast it aside as being false or manipulated by the government.

that's true

 

[Althornin]

right, because you knwo that in explosions and fires, nothing can get blown clear in the initial impact.....
"Bombs"?
maybe the firefighters hear stuff blowing up, indeed - but many things will explode and make loud noises, especially while being burnt.
As for what the firefighters said - whihc building are you tlaking about now? WTC 7 or the towers?

Gee I wonder, what buildings were hit that day in NY by airplanes? It even says in the quote you quoted from me

wow, maybe i said that because you also keep babbling about the fires in WT 7 being small and under control also?
However, nice refutation of my other points there...

To continue - do you know how much jet fuel a full loaded 747 carries? 28,000 gallons. Do you think that that will make a fire that is "Small" and not major?

Dude, you are to the point of not even listening to anyone now. And you wonder why people think you are a moron.
I bet you think we never went to the moon also...

 

[diarrhea_splatter]

right, because you knwo that in explosions and fires, nothing can get blown clear in the initial impact.....
"Bombs"?
maybe the firefighters hear stuff blowing up, indeed - but many things will explode and make loud noises, especially while being burnt.
As for what the firefighters said - whihc building are you tlaking about now? WTC 7 or the towers?

Gee I wonder, what buildings were hit that day in NY by airplanes? It even says in the quote you quoted from me

wow, maybe i said that because you also keep babbling about the fires in WT 7 being small and under control also?
However, nice refutation of my other points there...

To continue - do you know how much jet fuel a full loaded 747 carries? 28,000 gallons. Do you think that that will make a fire that is "Small" and not major?

Dude, you are to the point of not even listening to anyone now. And you wonder why people think you are a moron.
I bet you think we never went to the moon also...

I never said the fires were small, but the fire department had them under control, you can read the radio logs.

I wonder why people think I'm a moron? Nope, more like ya'll will always remember this post when the "truth" comes out. Just remember how long it took people to believe that our own GOVERNMENT let Pearl Harbor happen. People like ya'll were saying the same thing to people telling you that our own government did it. la tee da

 

[epicstruggle]

I never said the fires were small, but the fire department had them under control, you can read the radio logs.

Are you a firefighter? Because, my cousin (who is) told me that fire are incredibly unpredictable. One minute a fire can be completly under control, and the next be out of control. As a simple example look at forest fires. Firefighters die because forest fires can shift/grow unpredictibly just by having the wind shift. Back to wtc, the wind could have shifted, and moved the fire to where there was alot of fuel (from plane, and furniture, et al) and reignited flames that took the firefighters by suprise. So dont assume that because the flames were under control that that could not have changed in a few seconds.

later,
epic

 

[diarrhea_splatter]

I never said the fires were small, but the fire department had them under control, you can read the radio logs.

Are you a firefighter? Because, my cousin (who is) told me that fire are incredibly unpredictable. One minute a fire can be completly under control, and the next be out of control. As a simple example look at forest fires. Firefighters die because forest fires can shift/grow unpredictibly just by having the wind shift. Back to wtc, the wind could have shifted, and moved the fire to where there was alot of fuel (from plane, and furniture, et al) and reignited flames that took the firefighters by suprise. So dont assume that because the flames were under control that that could not have changed in a few seconds.

later,
epic

Just look at the radio logs, that's all I'm saying, it's all in the text an din the audio.

 

[diarrhea_splatter]

just in case: bombs going off?

 

[Reznor007]

Think about this for a second...a 747 is about 63 feet tall, so when it hit it probably ignited 8-10 stories worth instantly since an explosion that size would destroy any flooring that might be in its way. Also consider how high up the planes hit. Do you really think that a fire that massive could be under control within such a short time?

And with a large airplane crashing through the middle of it, do you think it would be near as strong as it would be if it hadn't have been hit? With the structure seriously weakened and on fire, do you think the massive weight of the higher portion of the towers above the explostion was helping the situation any?

Ignore any of the crazy theories you have heard, and just apply some basic physics to this. A massive weight resting on a weakened base that is continually getting weaker because of a huge superheated fire. If you come to any other conclusion than the building crushing itself then I really feel sorry for you.

 

[diarrhea_splatter]

Think about this for a second...a 747 is about 63 feet tall, so when it hit it probably ignited 8-10 stories worth instantly since an explosion that size would destroy any flooring that might be in its way. Also consider how high up the planes hit. Do you really think that a fire that massive could be under control within such a short time?

And with a large airplane crashing through the middle of it, do you think it would be near as strong as it would be if it hadn't have been hit? With the structure seriously weakened and on fire, do you think the massive weight of the higher portion of the towers above the explostion was helping the situation any?

Ignore any of the crazy theories you have heard, and just apply some basic physics to this. A massive weight resting on a weakened base that is continually getting weaker because of a huge superheated fire. If you come to any other conclusion than the building crushing itself then I really feel sorry for you.

Seeing that the engineers who built that building originally said it could withstand a hit from a plane, then no I do not believe that thing would've collapsed. It's been proven that those fires were not hot enough to melt steel. The facts are out there that contradict everything most of the reports out there say, including the time difference for WTC7 to fall in the FEMA report and what Alex Jones stated. Alex has a track history of telling the truth our own government doesn't.

 

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Think about this for a second...a 747 is about 63 feet tall, so when it hit it probably ignited 8-10 stories worth instantly since an explosion that size would destroy any flooring that might be in its way. Also consider how high up the planes hit. Do you really think that a fire that massive could be under control within such a short time?

And with a large airplane crashing through the middle of it, do you think it would be near as strong as it would be if it hadn't have been hit? With the structure seriously weakened and on fire, do you think the massive weight of the higher portion of the towers above the explostion was helping the situation any?

Ignore any of the crazy theories you have heard, and just apply some basic physics to this. A massive weight resting on a weakened base that is continually getting weaker because of a huge superheated fire. If you come to any other conclusion than the building crushing itself then I really feel sorry for you.

Seeing that the engineers who built that building originally said it could withstand a hit from a plane, then no I do not believe that thing would've collapsed. It's been proven that those fires were not hot enough to melt steel. The facts are out there that contradict everything most of the reports out there say, including the time difference for WTC7 to fall in the FEMA report and what Alex Jones stated. Alex has a track history of telling the truth our own government doesn't.

The buildings did withstand the plane strikes, just as predicted, as everyone saw. The fires took them down.

It's been proven that those fires were not hot enough to melt steel.

Proven by whom? Where is this evidence? All the evidence I've seen shows that the tempreatures were easily high enough to weaken and melt (sufficient weakening would be enough) the metal holding up the floors. The fire/heat proofing on the steel wasn't designed to stand up to an explosion that would rip much of it off then an aviation fuel fed fire.

And the fires were under control, in that they weren't spreading fast. They were mostly limited to the areas where the fuel was - the same ares that failed when the buildings collapsed. But because a fire isn't spereading uncontrollably doesn't meant it producing large amounts of heat.

I'm actually starting to think I've been sucked into a big wind up. Oh dear!

 

[Althornin]

Seeing that the engineers who built that building originally said it could withstand a hit from a plane, then no I do not believe that thing would've collapsed. It's been proven that those fires were not hot enough to melt steel. The facts are out there that contradict everything most of the reports out there say, including the time difference for WTC7 to fall in the FEMA report and what Alex Jones stated. Alex has a track history of telling the truth our own government doesn't.

You can't have it both ways.
You entirely trust the engineers on this point.
Then you discard what engineers, etc say on anything that disagrees with you, saying the government's fingers are in it.

The towers DID survive a plane hit. They did NOT survive 28,000 gallons of burning jet fuel.
Note that jet engines have special parts made of ceramic to withstand the high heat generated within. They also have constant huge airflow to keep them cool.

 

[London Geezer]

Well, they SHOULD have!! I mean, it's not too much to ask is it?
The towers SHOULD HAVE resisted a freaking plane slamming onto them AND they SHOULD HAVE resisted thousands-degree worth of heat...

Also meteorites, tidal waves, nukes, Gamma-Ray bursts from the sky, Supernovas blasts from 2 feet away, a black hole passing over them.

Not too much to ask is it...

 

[Humus]

It's been proven that those fires were not hot enough to melt steel.

You don't even need to be anywhere near the melting point. Steel is weakened with increasing temperature. That's pretty well known since the iron age, just watch a smith, they don't melt the metal when they form it, they only heat it until it's soft enough.

 

[StefanS]

It's been proven that those fires were not hot enough to melt steel.

You don't even need to be anywhere near the melting point. Steel is weakened with increasing temperature. That's pretty well known since the iron age, just watch a smith, they don't melt the metal when they form it, they only heat it until it's soft enough.

At 800°C Steel is less than half as strong than at room temperature.

 

[Sabastian]

I can't help but say it. D_S_ is symptomatic of a trend that I have been ranting on about for a long time and it is near epidemic proportions. The sad fact of the matter is that there are millions of people just like him whom are willing to gobble down and believe just about anything negative about America that they hear. It is pathetic. Even here in Canada the anti American sentiment is sickening. Folks are willing to gobble down just about anything that makes America look like Satans play toy. This idea that the current leadership of the US is somehow responsible for the WTC attack and destruction quite nearly epitomizes that sentiment. It is fucking overzealous critique without real merit, bolstered and backed by left-wing rhetoric because America is not the epitome of egalitarianism. Not only does it discredit the cause of legitimate opposition to certain policies but it spreads unwarranted hatred.

DS your whole argument is based in the idea that the current American government is so evil that it would kill thousands of its people to rationalize everything that has transpired over the past 2 years in the middle east and it is a fucking stupid conspiracy theory. If there was not a problem in the mid east to begin with America would not be acting the way it is. The WTC attacks are the culmination of years of hatred that the Islamic Jihad has been planning to do. They even attempted to destroy the same building years ago and failed.

DS the things you say pretty much embody what I despise most about a great portion of the left today... its kind of like the equivalent of a right wing red neck. The unadulterated mindless demonization of America do nothing but discredit your cause and the more intellectual people and arguments from the perspective you support. My sakes maybe we can coin the term, just another left wing redneck. [/rant]

 

[Gerry]

Sabastian: Whilst d_s is quite clearly a bunny short of a warren, I think distilling his idiocy into some anti left-wing rant is pretty short of the mark.

d_s doesn't sound anti-American, he sounds anti-government. Akin to those bizarre people that hole themselves up in bunkers waiting for the UN to invade. I'm sure he sees the US as <> to the government; in fact he probably sees the government as anti-American. I could be wrong though; his(?) posts aren't the easiest to digest.

Anyway, we all know that in 20 years time, no matter what the evidence, people will still think the destruction of the WTC was part of some government-lead conspiracy. Logical argument won't change their views, since it's faith (not in a religious sense) rather than logic that fuels the way they think.

Now leaving aside the left-wing stuff, I do think it's interesting as to why people become so caught up in conspiracy theories. Maybe people just like to imagine that the truth is being kept from them because they don't much care for the version of truth that's on offer.

 

[London Geezer]

Anti-americanism has little to do with conspiracy theories. I'm not exactly the most pro-american out there, but i think this conspiracy theory is utter crap. I must say i did think "uhmmmm" when it first happened, but i'm sorry it's just stupid now to find "proof" into videos and pairs of words...

 

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It's been proven that those fires were not hot enough to melt steel.

You don't even need to be anywhere near the melting point. Steel is weakened with increasing temperature. That's pretty well known since the iron age, just watch a smith, they don't melt the metal when they form it, they only heat it until it's soft enough.

At 800°C Steel is less than half as strong than at room temperature.

Yeah, I shouldn't have used the word "melt" at all. I wasn't meaning the steel on those floors had turned to liquid, but that it would have softened significantly as in the example above.

That's what you get for posting in a couple of spare moments!

 

[Razor04]

hehe I thought the following was perfect for diarrhea_splatter:

Klaxon:

WARNING!!! YOU MUST READ THIS!!! Klaxon, the internet Chicken Little, raises the alarm for each and every paranoid conspiracy theory, Federal Big-Brother scheme, internet hoax, and latest computer virus. No black helicopter alert is so ludicrous, no urban legend so implausible, that he will not pass it along as accepted fact (in ALL CAPS with multiple exclamation marks). Congratulations, you are recipient 16,747 of today's Urban Myth. CAUTION: Often Klaxon knowingly posts false alarms to foment mischief.

That was taken from this site.

 

[diarrhea_splatter]

DS your whole argument is based in the idea that the current American government is so evil that it would kill thousands of its people to rationalize everything that has transpired over the past 2 years in the middle east and it is a fucking stupid conspiracy theory.

I'm about to prove you wrong. And it's not the past 2 years, try longer. Our government let Pearl Harbor happen so we could get into WWII (thousands of soldiers died). Our government (FBI) paid and sponsored the first attack on the trade towers (middle east connection). Oklahoma city bombing, our own government did it (unexploded bombs were tied to the support pillars) and Mcveigh became the patsy (never hear about the infamous john doe) Clinton tried to pass his version of the Patriot act (was it presidential directive W-199I?) Look at the past and look at what happened on 9/11 how can you say it's a conspiracy?

 

[RussSchultz]

Because every "fact" you point to in the past is yet another fucked up conspiracy theory supported by nothing but blathering from nuts like Alex Jones.