Poor Rush

[Joe DeFuria]

Keep trying to rationalize away your stupidity Joe.

Keep dodging the issue, Natoma.

Topics change subject all the time.

You're kidding, right?

Topic change subject, yes. They do so for some reason though.

I chose to change the subject to a discussion regarding parasites and beastiality....

And the reason in this case is because you simply wanted to take insults to the next level, by going after my family.

The purpose of such statements is not to insult you.

Anyone else believe that?

 

[Sabastian]

Oh my god Sabastian. I've never said that abusing drugs shouldn't be taught as wrong. I've said that no matter how much you say it's wrong or say it shouldn't be abused, people will still do it anyways. I have never stated nor will I ever state that abusing drugs should have the notions of right and wrong taken away.

We need to be there not only in prevention but in treatment as well.

Thats good. However I think what you ought to do is revamp you statement even more. Strong disapproval of drugs will help many but not all will be smart enough to heed the advice. No one ever said that it would be 100% effective but it sure wouldn't hurt. Now Natoma head off to your local university and start putting a whip to them left wing ethics drug pushers lobbying for the legalization of extremely addictive drugs and providing clinics where the state hands out the shit that addicts are addicted to. When a child wonders how on one hand we tell them not to do the stuff and then sees on the other the state handing the garbage out to addicts, it comes off as a tad bit hypocritical, don't you think?

 

[Bigus Dickus]

With regard to which topic? There are myriad subjects in this thread.

How about where you deliberately insult Joe about his wife and kid, and try to pass off the insult as if it had any resemblance to previous discussions Joe has participated in.

Oh lord here we go again with the "on at least some level" business.

Yes, because frankly this subject isn't worth enough of my time to think about just how much of a hypocrit Rush is. I'm sure he is to some extent... as we all are.

 

[Natoma]

Keep trying to rationalize away your stupidity Joe.

Keep dodging the issue, Natoma.

What issue am I dodging eh? I don't believe your wife is a hairless ape nor do I believe your child is a parasite. But you certainly believe homosexuality and beastiality are comparable "on certain levels". Who's dodging the issue.

Topics change subject all the time.

You're kidding, right?

Topic change subject, yes. They do so for some reason though.

And the topic changed for a reason here as well.

I chose to change the subject to a discussion regarding parasites and beastiality....

And the reason in this case is because you simply wanted to take insults to the next level, by going after my family.

And the reason in the case of the beastiality/homosexuality comparison in this case is because you simply wanted to take insults to the next level, by going after my family.

The purpose of such statements is not to insult you.

Anyone else believe that?

Anyone else believe Joe wasn't trying to be insulting by comparing my relationship to my bf with beastiality?

 

[Natoma]

With regard to which topic? There are myriad subjects in this thread.

How about where you deliberately insult Joe about his wife and kid, and try to pass off the insult as if it had any resemblance to previous discussions Joe has participated in.

Oh so Joe attacking my family is not deliberately insulting? Please.

Oh lord here we go again with the "on at least some level" business.

Yes, because frankly this subject isn't worth enough of my time to think about just how much of a hypocrit Rush is. I'm sure he is to some extent... as we all are.

Indeed. But I highly doubt you hold yourself up to be the bastion of goodness and right and conservativism in this nation and that people need to listen to you in order to be on the right path while you rail on everyone else who doesn't support your viewpoint.

 

[Natoma]

Oh my god Sabastian. I've never said that abusing drugs shouldn't be taught as wrong. I've said that no matter how much you say it's wrong or say it shouldn't be abused, people will still do it anyways. I have never stated nor will I ever state that abusing drugs should have the notions of right and wrong taken away.

We need to be there not only in prevention but in treatment as well.

Thats good. However I think what you ought to do is revamp you statement even more. Strong disapproval of drugs will help many but not all will be smart enough to heed the advice. No one ever said that it would be 100% effective but it sure wouldn't hurt. Now Natoma head off to your local university and start putting a whip to them left wing ethics drug pushers lobbying for the legalization of extremely addictive drugs and providing clinics where the state hands out the shit that addicts are addicted to. When a child wonders how on one hand we tell them not to do the stuff and then sees on the other the state handing the garbage out to addicts, it comes off as a tad bit hypocritical, don't you think?

Sabastian, you're getting closer, but you're still not seeing that I agree and have agreed with you on the subject of drug use.

Look at it like this. I do not support sex education only. I do not support abstinence education only. I support the combination of both. That way people know they don't have to have sex, but if they do, these are ways they can at least protect themselves.

In that same way, I support massive campaigns to try and turn people away from using drugs. But if they do go that route, I also support the institutions we have in place for the addicted who need help.

As for those who wish to legalize drugs, most people speak regarding marijuana. However, marijuana is legal with a prescription from one's doctor. I don't support legalization of drugs that can be purchased on the street however. Those drugs have many harmful additives that can do much damage to the individual taking them. There is a difference and I think you need to make sure you do not categorize extreme viewpoints with those of the "mainstream" left.

 

[Joe DeFuria]

What issue am I dodging eh?

The issue of your "comparison" not being in any way relevant to any comparison I've ever made (for reasons specifically outlined earlier), and my request for you to show where I have done so.

I don't believe your wife is a hairless ape nor do I believe your child is a parasite. But you certainly believe homosexuality and beastiality are comparable "on certain levels". Who's dodging the issue.

Um, thanks for illustrating my point.

You don't believe such things, but yet, you brought up a comparison that is completely of no consequence to this thread. In other words, there was no reason for it except for shock value and insults.

Yes, I do believe in the beastiality comparison on certain levels (which I have SPECIFICIALLY outlined in such posts where I make such a comparisons).

So let's see....I make comparisons that I feel are valid and on topic...you make comparisons that you don't believe in and are not related to the topic. Thanks for clearing that up.

And the reason in the case of the beastiality/homosexuality comparison in this case is because you simply wanted to take insults to the next level, by going after my family.

Really? I've mentioned your partner in such comparisons? Was I even the originator of such comparisons in any threads in which it was the topic of discussion?

 

[Natoma]

What issue am I dodging eh?

The issue of your "comparison" not being in any way relevant to any comparison I've ever made (for reasons specifically outlined earlier), and my request for you to show where I have done so.

It's completely relevant using your ass backward logic.

I don't believe your wife is a hairless ape nor do I believe your child is a parasite. But you certainly believe homosexuality and beastiality are comparable "on certain levels". Who's dodging the issue.

Um, thanks for illustrating my point.

You don't believe such things, but yet, you brought up a comparison that is completely of no consequence to this thread. In other words, there was no reason for it except for shock value and insults.

Yes, I do believe in the beastiality comparison on certain levels (which I have SPECIFICIALLY outlined in such posts where I make such a comparisons).

So let's see....I make comparisons that I feel are valid and on topic...you make comparisons that you don't believe in and are not related to the topic. Thanks for clearing that up.

Oh so it's better that you believe in the asinine things you say? That somehow makes it better? Gee, that just makes you an even bigger pompous ass than I thought.

And the reason in the case of the beastiality/homosexuality comparison in this case is because you simply wanted to take insults to the next level, by going after my family.

Really? I've mentioned your partner in such comparisons? I was even the originator of such comparisons in any threads in which it was the topic of discussion?

One doesn't have to say "your partner" when saying that homosexual relationships are comparable to beastiality, especially when the person you're speaking with talks about his relationship openly and proudly. The intent is clear. I love how you try and use semantics to wiggle your way out of the completely idiotic points you make.

 

[Joe DeFuria]

It's completely relevant using your ass backward logic.

Sorry, it's not.

Oh so it's better that you believe in the asinine things you say?

Of course it is. Isn't that obvious?

Whether or not an opinion is asinine is open for debate, isn't it? Isn't that the point of a debate? People disagreeing over things? I certainly don't think the things I say are asinine, nor do many others (as was evidenced in those threads.)

You disagree? Fine. At least my opinions are relevant to discussion.

That somehow makes it better? Gee, that just makes you an even bigger pompous ass than I thought.

Of course it makes it better. Disagree with me all you want. This is done through making arguments, and counter arguments. Seems to me the popous ass in this case is you. You can't accept someone else's opinion as anything but asinine, and then you interject a totally meaningless insult into a conversation, as if they are the same thing?

One doesn't have to say "your partner" when saying that homosexual relationships are comparable to beastiality.

Where's the context, Natoma? Omitting it again? In what way did I compare the two? (Do you even remember, or do you just latch on to the comparison itself.)

I love how you try and use semantics to wiggle your way out of the completely idiotic points you make.

What am I wiggling out of?

 

[Natoma]

It's completely relevant using your ass backward logic.

Sorry, it's not.

Sorry that you can't see it.

Oh so it's better that you believe in the asinine things you say?

Of course it is. Isn't that obvious?

Whether or not an opinion is asinine is open for debate, isn't it? Isn't that the point of a debate? People disagreeing over things? I certainly don't think the things I say are asinine, nor do many others (as was evidenced in those threads.)

You disagree? Fine. At least my opinions are relevant to discussion.

As are mine. We're discussing the point about your wife being a hairless ape and your child being a parasite right? I successfully changed the subject didn't I?

You disagree with the statement that your wife is comparable to a hairless ape on some certain levels and thus you practice beastiality and your child is a parasite on certain levels? Fine. It's certainly relevant to this discussion that we're having right now.

That somehow makes it better? Gee, that just makes you an even bigger pompous ass than I thought.

Of course it makes it better. Disagree with me all you want. This is done through making arguments, and counter arguments. Seems to me the popous ass in this case is you. You can't accept someone else's opinion as anything but asinine, and then you interject a totally meaningless insult into a conversation, as if they are the same thing?

Not meaningless at all. Scientifically your wife is indeed a hairless ape. Scientifically your child is indeed a parasite. Disagree with that assertion all you like. You can't accept that scientifically valid opinion (though not one that I necessarily share) as anything but asinine and insulting.

One doesn't have to say "your partner" when saying that homosexual relationships are comparable to beastiality.

Where's the context, Natoma? Omitting it again? In what way did I compare the two? (Do you even remember, or do you just latch on to the comparison itself.)

Who gives a crap how the comparison is made Joe. You made the comparison between beastiality and homosexuality.

Who gives a crap how the comparison is made Joe. I made the comparison between your wife being a hairless ape and your child being a parasite.

The point is that both comparisons are HIGHLY insulting. As evidenced not only by my reaction to it, but your reaction as well.

And THAT is the ONLY relevant point.

I love how you try and use semantics to wiggle your way out of the completely idiotic points you make.

What am I wiggling out of?

You do it and you don't even realize it.

 

[Joe DeFuria]

As are mine. We're discussing the point about your wife being a hairless ape and your child being a parasite right?

Um, nothing remotely related to that until you made the comparison, which was purposely devoid of any context by your own admission.

I successfully changed the subject didn't I?

For no reason, other than to be sensationalist and throw insults. By your own admission, you don't believe in the validity of the comparison.

You disagree with the statement that your wife is comparable to a hairless ape on some certain levels....

WRONG.

I do not disagree with the statement in and of itself.

As I've repeated several times, and yet fails to sink in, I disagree with your making that statement, given the fact that you did not make the statement along with any relevant context, and given the fact it has nothing whatsoever to do with the thread.

Not meaningless at all. Scientifically your wife is indeed a hairless ape.

Of course.

And had this been a discussion about genetics, science, specied, etc., and then you made that statement, along with the context by which you're making the comparison, I would have no problem with it.

I cannot believe you don't see the difference here.

Who gives a crap how the comparison is made Joe.

The people who give a crap about a quality debate, rather than just purposely throwing insults. That's who.

You made the comparison between beastiality and homosexuality.

Along with full context being given, and with direct relationship to the topic at hand..

Who gives a crap how the comparison is made Joe. I made the comparison between your wife being a hairless ape and your child being a parasite.

Without any context for the comparison being given, without any relationship to the topic at hand whatsoever.

The point is that both comparisons are HIGHLY insulting. As evidenced not only by my reaction to it, but your reaction as well.

The point is that your comparison is purposely insulting. By your own admission, you don't believe in it. And THAT is the ONLY relevant point.

You do it and you don't even realize it.

I ask again, what do I not realize I'm wiggling out of? Don't wiggle out of the answer. Tell me.

 

[Natoma]

Joe, you're really pathetic. In your attempts to "be right" you can't even see how wrong you are. I'm not wasting my time on you anymore. Go ahead and get your last little comment in. I know you're just edging to do it.

 

[Joe DeFuria]

Joe, you're really pathetic. In your attempts to "be right" you can't even see how wrong you are. I'm not wasting my time on you anymore. Go ahead and get your last little comment in. I know you're just edging to do it.

And here it is.

I'm the one "wiggling out" here?

It's never too late for an apology, so when your "compassionate" liberalness wakes you up in the middle of the night realizing how utterly wrong you are, I'll be willing to accept it.

Until then, I'll take solice in the irony that you've exposed yourself as a much larger hypocrite than you set out to expose Rush as...

 

[Silent_One]

Who gives a crap how the comparison is made Joe. You made the comparison between beastiality and homosexuality.

Who gives a crap how the comparison is made Joe. I made the comparison between your wife being a hairless ape and your child being a parasite.

The point is that both comparisons are HIGHLY insulting. As evidenced not only by my reaction to it, but your reaction as well.

And THAT is the ONLY relevant point.

Looks like you "touched a nerve" there Joe

 

[Natoma]

Who gives a crap how the comparison is made Joe. You made the comparison between beastiality and homosexuality.

Who gives a crap how the comparison is made Joe. I made the comparison between your wife being a hairless ape and your child being a parasite.

The point is that both comparisons are HIGHLY insulting. As evidenced not only by my reaction to it, but your reaction as well.

And THAT is the ONLY relevant point.

Looks like you "touched a nerve" there Joe

As did I silent_one.

p.s.: I hear you live a town over from my co-worker stevan.

 

[Paul]

Natoma won the argument.

That is all I have to say. Now goodbye, my favorite episode of Different Strokes is on, you know, the episode where Arnold and Dudley get sexually molested by the guy who owns the bike shop?

 

[Silent_One]

Natoma won the argument.

Nah....nobody wins these things... but there fun to watch sometimes

natoma wrote

As did I silent_one

yeah, I got that "nerve from you....

p.s.: I hear you live a town over from my co-worker stevan.

Really? 8) Wow, small world. which town?

 

[Natoma]

Madison I believe. That's Stvn. hehe. He commutes to the office in manhattan, save his soul.

 

[Sabastian]

Just for "fun" :
The comparison of bestiality to homosexuality was done on the basis that reproduction is the natural drive behind sex. So homosexuals are as reproductively equivalent to people whom engage in bestiality.(argh even spelling the word sometimes seems appalling.) Thus homosexual activity =s bestiality. It is insulting.(or should be) But would a person whom likes to have sex with animals be upset by the comparison? Heh.

In Natoma's retort he suggests that Joes wife is an animal and their child a parasite. (A variety of species devoted to living off a host creature, this is a most loathed thing.) Basically insulting Joes entire family.

Guys…we should ease up on the insults, a bit.
but not entirely

 

[Silent_One]

Madison, Eh Right next door (2 miles).