Poor Rush

[Natoma]

Oh but my point is in context. I'm talking about parasites and beastiality. And within that context, on certain levels, it is certainly comparable to say that your child is a parasite and your wife is a hairless ape, thus your heterosexual relationship is comparable to beastiality, on certain levels.

I'm sorry that I touched a nerve, but I was only making comparisons on certain levels.

 

[Natoma]

Natoma,

Yea, I love it when conservatives fall flat on their faces. It shows them for the hypocritical bastards they generally are.

I know you don't mean everyone, and I am not trying to take the above out of context. I would just like to bring up a point. Stating what is wrong, knowing what is wrong, is different than always doing what is right. I have heard of Christians as being called hypocritical before because they do bad things too. Yes, Christians might believe this or that is wrong, they might even do this or that, but if they are true Christians, they try NOT to do those things.

If I were to voice my opinion that something someone does is wrong, I am not judging them, I am only judging the action. It seams that many people take it personally and then lash out.

Just a few thoughts,
Dr. Ffreeze

No I don't mean every last conservative, as you pointed out.

But the ones you see such as Rush, Phelps, Gingrich, Santorum, Bennet, Coulter, et al, i.e. the faces of the conservative movement. Those people make it a point to make themselves the beacons and the last bastions of morality and goodness in this country, demonizing everyone and everything else.

It is those people that I have no problem seeing fall flat on their faces.

 

[Sabastian]

Oh but my point is in context. I'm talking about parasites and beastiality. And within that context, on certain levels, it is certainly comparable to say that your child is a parasite and your wife is a hairless ape, thus your heterosexual relationship is comparable to beastiality.

I'm sorry that I touched a nerve, but I was only making comparisons on certain levels.

My sakes Natoma, I think that is bordering on absurdity.

 

[Joe DeFuria]

Oh but my point is in context.

Not in the slightest. Your original post, contained ZERO context whatsoever, in addition to it not being related at all to the topic at hand. You have never, EVER seen my make any post wrt beastiality and homosexuality without it

1) Being relevant to the subect at hand (such as when it's ALREADY being discussed.)

2) Also detailing the exact context of the comparison at the time the statements are made.

You, Natoma, are the only one that ever brings up the subject (repeatedly) of "Beastiality vs. homosexuality" without any context. You are your own worst enemy.

I'm sorry that I touched a nerve, but I was only making comparisons on certain levels.

No, I don't sense you're sorry at all. However, if you are actually sincnere, you will remove the statements, and then I'll accept your apology.

 

[Natoma]

How or why am I responsible for the addiction that some heroin addict has? I think rather then trying to take morality out of drug use what society ought to be doing is strongly disapproving of drug use thus rather then damage control we take a preventative (or a Moralistic one if you like.) approach. I refuse to make victims of people whom become addicted to illegal drugs, particularly when they know full well what the end result is.

The point is, people are going to take drugs no matter what you do. People will abuse drugs no matter how much it's demonized Sabastian. That is not to say that it's right or wrong, but to say that we should try and help them in their state of addiction as well as prevention. They are our fellow human beings and imo should be helped if at all possible. This isn't making victims out of anyone.

I believe this quote, "There but for the grace of god go I," is rather pertinent.

 

[Natoma]

Oh but my point is in context. I'm talking about parasites and beastiality. And within that context, on certain levels, it is certainly comparable to say that your child is a parasite and your wife is a hairless ape, thus your heterosexual relationship is comparable to beastiality.

I'm sorry that I touched a nerve, but I was only making comparisons on certain levels.

My sakes Natoma, I think that is bordering on absurdity.

Then you should have seen the discussion where Joe was making comparisons between homosexuality and beastiality "on certain levels". This is nothing in relation to that.

 

[Joe DeFuria]

They are our fellow human beings and imo should be helped if at all possible.

The way you're "helping Rush?"

 

[Natoma]

Oh but my point is in context.

Not in the slightest. Your original post, contained ZERO context whatsoever, in addition to it not being related at all to the topic at hand. You have never, EVER seen my make any post wrt beastiality and homosexuality without it

1) Being relevant to the subect at hand (such as when it's ALREADY being discussed.)

2) Also detailing the exact context of the comparison at the time the statements are made.

You, Natoma, are the only one that ever brings up the subject (repeatedly) of "Beastiality vs. homosexuality" without any context. You are your own worst enemy.

Sorry. You're wrong. My post was in complete context and your wife is a hairless ape and your child is a parasite, but only on certain levels, just like your comparisons of my relationship to beastiality, but only on certain levels.

I'm sorry that I touched a nerve, but I was only making comparisons on certain levels.

No, I don't sense you're sorry at all. However, if you are actually sincnere, you will remove the statements, and then I'll accept your apology.

Again you can't seem to detect sarcasm very well.

p.s.: I'll apologize and remove my statements when you apologize for comparing my relationship with my bf to beastiality on certain levels and remove your statements.

 

[Joe DeFuria]

Then you should have seen the discussion where Joe was making comparisons between homosexuality and beastiality "on certain levels". That is nothing in relation to this.

By all means. Link to those threads. You're right...that's nothing in relation to what you're doing here.

 

[Natoma]

They are our fellow human beings and imo should be helped if at all possible.

The way you're "helping Rush?"

Indeed. My tax dollars, along with yours, help fund the drug programs and institutions he's going to use to be free of his addiction.

Calling rush a lying hypocritical bastard has nothing to do with my wish that he gets better.

 

[Natoma]

Then you should have seen the discussion where Joe was making comparisons between homosexuality and beastiality "on certain levels". That is nothing in relation to this.

By all means. Link to those threads. You're right...that's nothing in relation to what you're doing here.

This is nothing in relation to what you've done. Statement corrected.

 

[Joe DeFuria]

Sorry. You're wrong. My post was in complete context and your wife is a hairless ape and your child is a parasite, but only on certain levels, just like your comparisons of my relationship to beastiality, but only on certain levels.

I just feel pity for you at this point, Natoma.

p.s.: I'll apologize and remove my statements when you apologize for comparing my relationship with my bf to beastiality on certain levels and remove your statements.

You find a post where I brought up such a comparison without it:

1) Being directly related to the subject at hand
2) Not explicitly stating what my context was in the same post

And I will apologize and delete it.

Since your posts in this thread meet that criteria, I expect you'll delete them and apologize.

 

[Joe DeFuria]

By all means. Link to those threads. You're right...that's nothing in relation to what you're doing here.

So, you won't link to the threads then? Why not let them speak for themselves?

 

[Natoma]

It's sad that you try and explain away your idiotic and nonsensical comparisons between beastiality and homosexuality with some "well it was in context so it wasn't insulting" nonsense.

The even sadder part is that you actually believe that garbage.

 

[Sabastian]

The point is, people are going to take drugs no matter what you do. People will abuse drugs no matter how much it's demonized Sabastian. That is not to say that it's right or wrong, but to say that we should try and help them in their state of addiction as well as prevention. They are our fellow human beings and imo should be helped if at all possible. This isn't making victims out of anyone.

I believe this quote, "There but for the grace of god go I," is rather pertinent.

If preventative "demonizing" keeps just one person from ruining their lives then it is worth it. To suggest that taking notions of right or wrong out of drug use will have no consequence is about a stupid assumption you could ever make. I want my child to know it is wrong to take heroin. So when the day comes when they are propositioned to take it they at least will have some ethical take on the matter. She will know that it is strongly disapproved of and using addictive drugs has serious consequences.

 

[Bigus Dickus]

Natoma, your display of ignorance is most impressive.

re: Rush - I hope he gets help. I also hope he receives due prosecution and punishment. I respect that he isn't blaming his problems on others. wrt hypocrisy, well, I think Rush is hypocritical on at least some level, but I think it would be absolutely pointless to get into a debate about politicians and political activists being hypocritical... I thought that was part of the job description.

 

[Natoma]

The point is, people are going to take drugs no matter what you do. People will abuse drugs no matter how much it's demonized Sabastian. That is not to say that it's right or wrong, but to say that we should try and help them in their state of addiction as well as prevention. They are our fellow human beings and imo should be helped if at all possible. This isn't making victims out of anyone.

I believe this quote, "There but for the grace of god go I," is rather pertinent.

If preventative "demonizing" keeps just one person from ruining their lives then it is worth it. To suggest that taking notions of right or wrong out of drug use will have no consequence is about a stupid assumption you could ever make. I want my child to know it is wrong to take heroin. So when the day comes when they are propositioned to take it they at least will have some ethical take on the matter. She will know that it is strongly disapproved of and using addictive drugs has serious consequences.

Oh my god Sabastian. I've never said that abusing drugs shouldn't be taught as wrong. I've said that no matter how much you say it's wrong or say it shouldn't be abused, people will still do it anyways. I have never stated nor will I ever state that abusing drugs should have the notions of right and wrong taken away.

We need to be there not only in prevention but in treatment as well.

 

[Joe DeFuria]

It's sad that you try and explain away your idiotic and nonsensical comparisons between beastiality and homosexuality with some "well it was in context so it wasn't insulting" nonsense.

Um, I didn't say or claim that you couldn't be insulted by it. The purpose of such statements is not to insult you. The purpose of the statements is to define a view point, and they were given a clear and specific context to that purpose, and they were clearly on-topic.

The even sadder part is that you actually believe that garbage.

The saddest part, is that your attacks on my wife and children are obviously intending to be insulting, everyone here can see that as plain as day, and yet you won't apologize for it. More compassionate liberalism from Natoma.

 

[Natoma]

It's sad that you try and explain away your idiotic and nonsensical comparisons between beastiality and homosexuality with some "well it was in context so it wasn't insulting" nonsense.

Um, I didn't say or claim that you couldn't be insulted by it. The purpose of such statements is not to insult you. The purpose of the statements is to define a view point, and they were given a clear and specific context to that purpose, and they were clearly on-topic.

Keep trying to rationalize away your stupidity Joe.

The even sadder part is that you actually believe that garbage.

The saddest part, is that your attacks on my wife and children are obviously intending to be insulting, everyone here can see that as plain as day, and yet you won't apologize for it. More compassionate liberalism from Natoma.

Not at all. Merely pointing out the idiocy of your "contextual" comparisons.

Topics change subject all the time. I chose to change the subject to a discussion regarding parasites and beastiality, and in the context of that discussion, my parallel was certainly accurate and meaningful. I didn't say or claim that you couldn't be insulted by it. The purpose of such statements is not to insult you. The purpose of the statements is to define a view point, and they were given a clear and specific context to that purpose, and they were clearly on-topic after I changed the subject in my post.

 

[Natoma]

Natoma, your display of ignorance is most impressive.

With regard to which topic? There are myriad subjects in this thread.

re: Rush - I hope he gets help. I also hope he receives due prosecution and punishment. I respect that he isn't blaming his problems on others. wrt hypocrisy, well, I think Rush is hypocritical on at least some level, but I think it would be absolutely pointless to get into a debate about politicians and political activists being hypocritical... I thought that was part of the job description.

Oh lord here we go again with the "on at least some level" business.