PCI Xpress SIG Compliancy? Intergrators list

[ChrisRay]

http://www.pcisig.com/developers/compliance_program/integrators_list/


Has anyone seen this list, I noticed that Nvidia seems to be one of the only manufacturers who has passed its compliancy list.

There are some older ATI cards in there as well, But every PCI express Nvidia GPU seems to to have passed testings. I definately found it an interesting read.

 

[AlphaWolf]

What exactly is interesting about it?

 

[gkar1]

[sarcasm]that nvidia passed the test and ati didnt duh [/sarcasm]

 

[ChrisRay]

I'm sorry, You dont find it as interesting as I do. It's a test program that tests stability, and compliance for various PCI devices ranging from 2.1/1.0 and PCI Express.

They have an entire webpage about it.


http://www.pcisig.com/specifications/pciexpress/compliance


Sorry you didnt find it as interesting as I did, I wanted to know if they had just not tested certain products or why these products did not pass.

 

[jimmyjames123]

The obvious implication is that ATI's X800/X600/X300 PCI Express cards did not pass these tests, while NV's PCI Express solutions did pass these tests.

Does anyone know more about this in detail?

 

[Razor1]

thats is interesting. Maybe they doen't have enough time since they are still working on thier ogl drivers

 

[whql]

The most obvious implication is that the list means nothing seeing as every OEM chose ati's solution for a reason, and now Intel as well - now, why would we think that would be?

(I guess its also being ignored that nvidia's solutions were announced many months before ati's)

 

[jimmyjames123]

The most obvious implication is that you didn't even bother to carefully read the linked page, which was updated August 2, presumably with the new data in red including the NV cards. PCI-SIG is apparently the industry organization that owns the PCI Express specification. This type of compliance hardly seems to be a bad thing for consumers, unless one is purposely trying to put a negative spin on it.

(and since when does the enthusiast community make decisions and form conclusions based on the decisions of OEM's? )

 

[Pete]

Chris, do you have any ATi contacts that you can drop a line to? If not, maybe PM one of the ATi ppl on the boards here (or at NVN, if they're registered there).

It's interesting that NV41 and NV43 both passed, though we've yet to see benchmarks of either (AFAIK). Maybe PCI SIG just tested nV's HSI interconnect and simply passed all GPUs expected to use it, whereas they have to test each ATi card individually? ATi is a member, so you'd expect them to pass.

The fact that various ATi and nV PCI cards (R9100, GF4MX, FX5600) aren't listed leads me to believe that the list simply isn't that rigorously maintained.

 

[whql]

The most obvious implication is that you didn't even bother to carefully read the linked page, which was updated August 2, presumably with the new data in red (including the NV cards).

LOL! Yeah, I read it - that states when the list was updated, not when the submissions were made. You may note that only the PCX boards, that were announced in february were the only ones explicitly named - forgive me, but hasn't nv45 had a name for some time now? To me this would suggest that the submissions would be fairly old.

But, again, the list is fairly meaningless since either its correct and all the oem's and intel are igniring it for other reasons, thus removing the importance of the list, or its submissions are just out of date.

(and since when does the enthusiast community make decisions and form conclusions based on the decisions of OEM's? )

Well, the oem's are the ones that are also going to have access to the relevent tests, since they can obviously make their own informed decisions. But, since when do "enthusiasts" care about these lists rather than tangiable results?

http://www.techreport.com/reviews/2004q2/intel-9xx/index.x?pg=13

 

[jimmyjames123]

LOL! Yeah, I read it - that states when the list was updated, not when the submissions were made. You may note that only the PCX boards, that were announced in february were the only ones explicitly named - forgive me, but hasn't nv40 had a name for several months now? To me this would suggest that the submissions would probably be several months old.

Have you spoken to someone at NV or PCI Sig or even ATI about this? Until then, you really have no clue when submissions were made, you have no clue what exactly has happened, and are uninformed, period (and so is everyone else in this situation). The website does, however, clearly state the guidelines under which a product will be added to the list.

But, again, the list is fairly meaningless since either its correct and all the oem's and intel are igniring it for other reasons, thus removing the importance of the list, or its submissions are just out of date.

This comment is somewhat inane. Essentially, since you do not seem to have any understanding or insight about the list, you deem it meaningless. Seems pretty silly to me.

Well, the oem's are the ones that are also going to have access to the relevent tests, since they can obviously make their own informed decisions.

How do you know that? You are implying that OEM's know of these test results before signing a contract with an IHV, which is highly premature and speculative.

But, since when do "enthusiasts" care about these lists rather than tangiable results?

Who claimed that enthusiasts care about these lists rather than tangible (check your spelling) results? Compliance coming from the industry organization that owns the PCIe specification is always a good thing. Read their FAQ to learn more about why they believe that compliance is important.

Instead of talking about how meaningless this list is (without knowing anything in detail about it, really), how about trying to learn more about the list and how it was compiled? You seem fixated on trying to justify ATI's exclusion from the list, instead of trying to learn why exactly they are excluded from the list. Seems somewhat counterproductive really.

 

[whql]

Have you spoken to someone at NV or PCI Sig or even ATI about this? Until then, you really have no clue when submissions were made, you have no clue what exactly has happened, and are uninformed, period (and so is everyone else in this situation).

You can take some educated assumptions about the data submissions given the named products and the unnamed – sorry if a little logic is a bit of a stretch.

This comment is somewhat inane. Essentially, since you do not seem to have any understanding or insight about the list, you deem it meaningless. Seems pretty silly to me.

“ Many companies do, however, refer to the list when making company-to-company purchases.†– apparently not, since many more companies have chosen solutions that don’t appear on the list than do. Again, those that have so far made decisions about which solutions they find more fitting with their needs are also members of the SIG ergo they are going to have the testing utilities to test for themselves – ergo, either the list is out of date, or isn’t of concern to those that have made the decisions, in which case its fairly meaningless.

How do you know that? You are implying that OEM's know of these test results before signing a contract with an IHV, which is highly premature and speculative.

Clicks some links, its not difficult. The compliance testing software is available to SIG members, and all the major oem’s that have made significant purchasing decisions are listed.

Who claimed that enthusiasts care about these lists rather than tangible (check your spelling) results?

You’re the one placing such importance on it.

Instead of talking about how meaningless this list is (without knowing anything in detail about it, really), how about trying to learn more about the list and how it was compiled? You seem fixated on trying to justify ATI's exclusion from the list, instead of trying to learn why exactly they are excluded from the list. Seems somewhat counterproductive really.

And you’re claiming that the current known facts are not of concern – fact is, every major oem’s has chosen ati’s solutions and each of these oem’s are member of the sig and have access to the compliance testing software. Of course, “enthusiasts†know better than they do, even though they have all the relevant information.

 

[jimmyjames123]

You can take some educated assumptions about the data submissions given the named products and the unnamed – sorry if a little logic is a bit of a stretch.

The main problem is that your argument is illogical. It is completely naive to claim that NV announced or debuted their new PCI Express products well in advance of ATI, or vice versa. Hardware review websites have been talking about ATI and NV PCI Express cards for many months now. In fact, I recall that some hardware websites actually previewed ATI PCIe solutions before previewing NV PCIe solutions.

Again, those that have so far made decisions about which solutions they find more fitting with their needs are also members of the SIG ergo they are going to have the testing utilities to test for themselves – ergo, either the list is out of date, or isn’t of concern to those that have made the decisions, in which case its fairly meaningless.

I already tried to explain to you earlier why this is an inane comment, especially considering your limited (at best) understanding of the list. You have no interest in learning about why compliance just might be a good thing for the industry, you are only here to pound on the OEM drum and turn attention away from the real issues and questions at hand in this thread.

Clicks some links, its not difficult. The compliance testing software is available to SIG members, and all the major oem’s that have made significant purchasing decisions are listed.

LOL, you click some links, and that gives you some insight into how OEM's make decisions? What you seem to be incapable of understanding is that this list is for compliance only. This list doesn't have jack $hit to do with what motivates an OEM. Hopefully someday you will learn to differentiate (doubtful though).

You’re the one placing such importance on it.

How so? By trying to learn about why ATI is not on the list? What is perhaps even more dubious, however, is when someone tries to discredit a list such as this. Hmmm

And you’re claiming that the current known facts are not of concern

No I am not. You are again getting confused between a compliance list and an OEM wish list.

– fact is, every major oem’s has chosen ati’s solutions and each of these oem’s are member of the sig and have access to the compliance testing software. Of course, “enthusiasts†know better than they do, even though they have all the relevant information.

This statement only serves to highlight your general ignorance on the subject of compliancy testing, and lack of inquisitive thought. The fact is, all the NV PCIe cards passed the PCI Sig compliance tests, while the ATI PCIe cards are not on the list, period. Your discussion about OEM's in this context is only a justification of the results, not an explanation of the results, which seems quite silly and illogical in this context (at least for anyone who is not associated with any IHV like ATI).