NVIDIA Tegra Architecture
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one interesting information (at least if my memory serves well) is that Tegra releases are faster each year. T4 first devices were available at back to school 2013. TK1 in the Shield Tablet/Nexus9 on July 2014 and now TX1 in early May. Thus Nvidia is doing a better job on time to market benchmark. Before the delay between marketing announcement and availability on the shelves were always too long.
Does it means that we can expect Tegra with Pascal early next year on Samsung 14nm FinFet process ?
Does it means that we can expect Tegra with Pascal early next year on Samsung 14nm FinFet process ?
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For a home console, a TX1 is still rather weak for today's standards. Had it been a tablet with gamepad peripherals it could be more interesting, but this is meh...
It sounds like an enclosure for what they actually want to sell, which is:
GRID subscription.
It sounds like an enclosure for what they actually want to sell, which is:
GRID subscription.
Yes I am, and somewhat disappointed. I was already expecting a games console, but I'm not sure going with Android TV is the best option. Ultimately they could have gone with an Android branch underneat and create their own user experience. I'm not a big believer in Smart TVs other than Chromecast. I would have preferred them to sell it as just a console.
I was half right about them working on porting other platforms games to run natively on SHIELD. However I agree that that function is merely a PR stunt and not substantial. Otherwise the system would have had more than the ridiculous 16GB of memory.
In my opinion GRID is not enough of a feature to sell this device in high quantity. That's why I was expecting them to not be as stupid as that and be serious about porting titles from other platforms. However, truth to be told the Tegra X1 is not nearly as powerful for that to happen extensively.
Ultimately, if I would have been in nVIDIA shoes I would have delayed this product for the next Tegra generation. Yes, it might have meant to lose the Android TV train, but I would not be interested on it anyway. There is plenty of OEMs working on Android TV already and that will be a market where nVIDIA does not stand to have a chance. This reminds me too much of XBOX One schizofrenia at launch: is it a TV or Gaming device? If it was "Made to Game" like they say, be serious about it instead of just going "me too" and "oh we do more than that".
A last note for the event itself: it was horribly presented and executed! Worst presentation from nVIDIA ever! Dull, lacked enthusiasm. It felt like even them do not believe in it. Just gives more strength to idea that since they can't get OEMs to adopt Tegra they have to develop their own products to get some revenue back.
I have no doubt this SHIELD will be another flop.. Possibly worse than SHIELD tablet.
Well most if not all of us were wrong with the guessing game of what's going to "revolutionize" gaming. I don't have high hopes myself for it becoming a sales hit, however if you compare it to the other available set top boxes available today it has one hell of a price/performance ratio. I didn't check things thoroughly but at a couple of other (not as high end but not budget either) set top boxes I looked at none were priced below $130-140 and the fastest has a GPU that's about 10x times slower than the one in X1.
I'm looking forward to see the first independent reviews once it ships and since I was thinking of replacing a TV with a smart TV I might even skip the latter and even save money with that Shield thing.
Apart from that honestly there aren't that many things that truly could revolutionize gaming at a reasonable price these days; not from the graphics processing side at least. From the display side of things quite a LOT but that's a completely different chapter.
One thing I'm not clear about: is that the only SHIELD we're going to see for this generation? No tablet at all this time?
I'm looking forward to see the first independent reviews once it ships and since I was thinking of replacing a TV with a smart TV I might even skip the latter and even save money with that Shield thing.
Apart from that honestly there aren't that many things that truly could revolutionize gaming at a reasonable price these days; not from the graphics processing side at least. From the display side of things quite a LOT but that's a completely different chapter.
One thing I'm not clear about: is that the only SHIELD we're going to see for this generation? No tablet at all this time?
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Price/performance wise that's true, but as a gaming device it's a solution looking for a problem. GRID as a service will naturally be very limited at the start and no one really knows how well it'll perform or how expensive it'll be.
The PC games that nvidia helped to port to Android will do nothing for Android as a game platform. nVidia is too greedy to ever let other vendors touch those games in Android. So Android as a platform will continue to be void of games that require a capable 3D GPU.
IMO, if you own a capable gaming PC then a BayTrail based NUC or mini-pc would be a better choice, since it supports Steam In-Home Streaming natively.
Truth be told, they have launched only one SHIELD device per year so far...
It's been done before with other SoCs. See here:
http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/news-events/press-releases/detail?newsId=12979
True.
I was thinking of it as a pure set top box; not for games. I need to do some research on the topic.
Looks like Nvidia is giving up on smart phones for good:
http://www.eetimes.com/author.asp?section_id=36&doc_id=1326546
Refocus on tablets and automotive ?
http://www.eetimes.com/author.asp?section_id=36&doc_id=1326546
Refocus on tablets and automotive ?
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No wonder Nexus 9 not selling.
Both Nexus 6 and Nexus 9 are way to expensive, and it's not like they're not such a big jump in premium-ness over Nexus 7 and Nexus 5.
It's like Google/HTC/Motorola simply decided to take 3x more margins out of nothing, all while keeping the same limitations (no mass storage extension, tiny storage).
Google imposed the Nexus devices to have a small storage with no expansion on purpose, so they could bank on their online services for music/video streaming and online storage. But you can't do that and charge a premium at the same time.
Both Nexus 6 and Nexus 9 are way to expensive, and it's not like they're not such a big jump in premium-ness over Nexus 7 and Nexus 5.
It's like Google/HTC/Motorola simply decided to take 3x more margins out of nothing, all while keeping the same limitations (no mass storage extension, tiny storage).
Google imposed the Nexus devices to have a small storage with no expansion on purpose, so they could bank on their online services for music/video streaming and online storage. But you can't do that and charge a premium at the same time.
Nexus 9 would be the most high profile design win NV seems to have.
Unless they sold a lot to no name Chinese OEMs and those devices sold like gangbusters, NV can't be doing too well.
They sold some chips to Audi but unless it's in every A3 and A4, that can't be a high volume deal either.
Unless they sold a lot to no name Chinese OEMs and those devices sold like gangbusters, NV can't be doing too well.
They sold some chips to Audi but unless it's in every A3 and A4, that can't be a high volume deal either.
The Nexus9 is the only device I'm aware of which contains the 64bit Tegra K1 (Denver CPU). Xiaomi has its MiPad which contains the 32bit K1, but doesn't strike me as a large volume design win and that's it after that (apart from the Google Project Tango and NV's own Shield tablet).
As for cars there shouldn't be any purchasable car yet with any SoC as advanced as the K1. What should be on the road today should be a high number of Tegra3 SoCs and if T4 should have been adopted for automotive also a number of those too. Automotive should have an insane margin compared to other markets due to the probability of sw and support costs.
Hmm, if they have Tegra's, they're certainly not using the branding, at least in the US market.
Maybe for self-driving cars, the branding may be more prominent but I think most buyers would rather not spend a lot of money in a car electronics system if they can avoid it, since they have the latest phones and tablets.
Maybe for self-driving cars, the branding may be more prominent but I think most buyers would rather not spend a lot of money in a car electronics system if they can avoid it, since they have the latest phones and tablets.
I doubt any car manufacturer would want the consumer to know or to care where the in car infotainment system comes from even for ADAS etc. Anyway the Nexus9 got quite a bit cheaper from what I can see: http://www.fudzilla.com/news/mobile/37719-nexus-9-price-falling
...NV would land a major deal like Microsoft did with Ford in order for the partner to drop them? Weird example but it works for me
Microsoft is in general just as much out of place in the ULP mobile/embedded market like many others of the large "traditional" players and I wouldn't suggest that it's a panacea; au contraire Similar threads
