Nvidia GT300 core: Speculation

[DegustatoR]

Do you know how ridiculous that sounds? G300 is so good that nvidia can't market or sell it?

Of course they can sell it. Against Hemlock. But not against Cypress because that'd be like selling Cypress against GT215. (Or is that suddenly not silly because that's AMD's chips?)

 

[Rootax]

Do you know how ridiculous that sounds? G300 is so good that nvidia can't market or sell it?

-FUDie

If they can't sell it under, let say, 500 usd, maybe...

I don't believe that, but i can understand his point.

Me, i just believe they're late because g300 is too big/hot/what you want/.

Or maybe nVidia engies are smiling right now and will launch a bomb, g80 style.

 

[neliz]

Or you could just tell the truth about the ~10% yield and that nobody is waiting for a *sponsored* GPU that still costs $300?

 

[no-X]

EVGA
Sparkle
ZOTAC
Point of View
Leadtek
BFG

Zotac = Sapphire

 

[Vincent]

Or you could just tell the truth about the ~10% yield and that nobody is waiting for a *sponsored* GPU that still costs $300?

GPU that still costs $300(FOB)???

 

[digitalwanderer]

Zotac = Sapphire

Uhm, what?

Ah, they're both marketing brands for PC Partner? I did not know that.

 

[no-X]

Uhm, what?

Ah, they're both marketing brands for PC Partner? I did not know that.

Yes, even the PCB stickers are identical

 

[seahawk]

Yes, even the PCB stickers are identical

Question now is, would PC Partner not try to market ATI under the ZOTAC brand, if NV has completely fucked up the G30X generation?

 

[AlexV]

Gentlemen, less (read no) name-calling, and more (a lot more) signal.

 

[Ninjagnu]

Question now is, would PC Partner not try to market ATI under the ZOTAC brand, if NV has completely fucked up the G30X generation?

That way the Zotac brand can sell to the die hard 'I only buy form nvidia exclusive partners' crowd.. all 2 of them. (probably a few more).

That at least would be the only reasoning I could think of.

 

[KimB]

That way the Zotac brand can sell to the die hard 'I only buy form nvidia exclusive partners' crowd.. all 2 of them. (probably a few more).

That at least would be the only reasoning I could think of.

Sounds just like a good way to avoid confusion to me.

 

[Arnold Beckenbauer]

Zotac = Sapphire

No, these are two different companies. Zotac's "mother" is PC Partner, which produces graphics cards for Sapphire.

 

[Kaotik]

No, these are two different companies. Zotac's "mother" is PC Partner, which produces graphics cards for Sapphire.

Nope, both are brands/companies owned by PC Partner.
PC Partner makes cards for various different brands, but these 2 are their own.

 

[no-X]

Arnold Beckenbauer: Relationship between Sapphire and PCP is the same as between Zotac and PCP. In fact, PCP created Sapphire brand to sell their ATi-based graphics card and later did the same for GeForce graphics card, only under Zotac brand. This "independent" configuration allows them to exist as seemingly exclusive brands - ATi / nVidia likes exclusive partners and often gives them benefits. It's more advantageous for PCP, than selling both products under a single brand name.

 

[trinibwoy]

EVGA
Sparkle
ZOTAC
Point of View
Leadtek
BFG

Ah yes, forgot about BFG and Leadtek

 

[Ailuros]

There are so many weird rumors surrounding the G300 saga that isn't funny anymore. Most of them if you combine them don't make sense. One of those is that NV has serious hw problems with all 40nm chips. Let's assume that is true then they'd truly be complete morons to resurrect a shelved 40nm part and not try one way or the other to concentrate on X11 parts instead.

By the way that "there isn't time to change roadmaps on short notice" newsblurb works for all IHVs in any case. If one side has a less evolutionary architecture and the other side a more evolutionary architecture planned, the latter has far better chances to arrive first especially if they don't address the high end part of the market with a single chip solution. I wonder if NV will in the less foreseeable future change anything with its strategy, like for instance for a milder scenario to introduce a performance part first with a higher end part to follow.

 

[XMAN26]

Or you could just tell the truth about the ~10% yield and that nobody is waiting for a *sponsored* GPU that still costs $300?

Still taking your info from Charlie "I have wet dreams" demonoidsofdsk whatever his last name is.

 

[neliz]

Still taking your info from Charlie "I have wet dreams" demonoidsofdsk whatever his last name is.

I'm sure this information won't reach Charlie untill this week. His expectancies are much, much lower.
Have you actually realized that nvidia have problems? What do you think their yields are for GT216 and 218?

 

[DegustatoR]

Have you actually realized that nvidia have problems?

Having problems is very far from the apocalypse you're describing however.

 

[neliz]

Having problems is very far from the apocalypse you're describing however.

Apocalypse? where am I describing that?

GT212 will come out, maybe this year.. probably next year.
GT215/6/8 will have a very hard time competing (would've been different if they launched in Q209 as intended and not Q409) and GT300 is not set for another 9 months.
This is not the Apocalypse, it's the result of a design decision made way back when 40nm wasn't available. Tables can turn in 2010.