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10% yields?
That'd be even worse than NV30 which were late for a mere 3 months. That'd be worse than R600 which were late for 6 months.
So yeah i'd call this an apocalyptic vision.
Nvidia GT300 core: Speculation
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So yeah i'd call this an apocalyptic vision.
Seriously gentlemen passion is a nice thing but whenever it gets in the fanatical realm the smell starts to get a lot worse. I can imagine some of you folks to dance around an open fire at night and sing "ding dong the witch is dead" if G300 should come in H2 2010 as you'd want to, but for crying out loud don't expect anyone to take you seriously either.
No one knows for sure yet if G300 is a disaster or flop like NV30 or R600, but even if both IHVs survived those two quite well and in both cases both IHVs managed to turn the tables eventually. And you know what in the end it's a good thing for the consumer if there's never one IHV that always wins, but they take turns within each technology generation. It keeps competition alive and avoids monopolies.
No one knows for sure yet if G300 is a disaster or flop like NV30 or R600, but even if both IHVs survived those two quite well and in both cases both IHVs managed to turn the tables eventually. And you know what in the end it's a good thing for the consumer if there's never one IHV that always wins, but they take turns within each technology generation. It keeps competition alive and avoids monopolies.
It's the numbers I'm seeing. Still way Better than Charlie's 1.67% yield. Don't forget, when you take risks you might see that at the bottom line.
Hasn't that got to do with (unrealistic) expectations of GT300?
If someone somewhere messes up a codename and that is taken as "the truth" by the world+dog it would create disappointment.
They won't be failures, they'll just be late, something we're not used to from nV.
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Charlie is Charlie, but even 10% is lower than realistic.
There are lowered expectations if anything. At least on this board. I do think that now it's AMDs crowd who's doing a mistake of underestimating NVIDIA.
9 months late IS a failure.
9 months from now we'll probably see 32/28 versions of Evergreen family and 9 months from now we should be seing at least some information about NV's 2nd gen DX11 GPUs.
40nms G300 in 9 months will end up much worse than G200 did.
So that's a failure for sure. If that'll happen. Which I myself doubt highly.
This is an apocalypse for NV, as GT300 will have to take on the successor to RV870. The real DX11 chip from AMD, probably made at GF.
This is a disaster worse than r600. Whether you choose to call it an apocalypse or not is upto you. I'd say it is an apocalypse.
Just when I thought silliness had hit a never before seen peak, this comes in and wham, it goes higher still:|
remember, Two RV840, a lot of Solder and a separate chip for DX11. there you go, RV870.
Seriously I believe that Rv870 is an intermediate step between the DX10 Generation and the DX11 generation. Although it has seen many improvements, it is still in the same linage as RV670,RV770. I remember faintly, that there was talk about the second DX11 generation from ATI being the revolutionary one, while the first being an evolution of the DX10 designs.
It's either going to be DX11 or it isn't.
True. Ignoring the 10.1 update wouldn't you say though that RV770 was AMD's D3D10.x architecture done right? It's just an example of what I guess he might mean.
So what you're basically saying is that you're expecting the R9xx series to hit the market within nine months?
I think he means that RV8XX refreshes will conveniently show up before GT300 hits the market.
Right, but he also seems to be saying that those parts will be the "real DX11 part", that will be the "revolutionary one" not just an "evolution of the DX10 parts" (which I'm taking to mean R8xx).
So we're looking at a refresh which is also a revolutionary change.
Say 9-12 months, if 28nm is on track and working.
Not before, but maybe not much later. Depending on how fucked-up GT300 is. If things work out badly at NV and everything goes like planed at ATI, they maybe hit the shelf at the same time.
If I look at the diagramms, RV870 looks something like 2xRV790 + DX11. And while RV870 is the only Dx11 on the market, there seems to be some room for improvements on the 28nm part. A stept like from RV670 to RV770.
Yeah, that's definitely not going to happen. New major DX revision = new architecture, plain and simple.
Wait, now I'm even more confused. Are these parts that are coming about the same time as GT300, are they R8xx refreshes, or a new architecture (DX11 done right)?
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