NVIDIA GF100 & Friends speculation

[Silent_Buddha]

Warning to dual monitor users looking at a GTX480

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1258/15/

Holy hell. If you have dual monitors hooked up to GTX 480, then it idles at ~90c?

Any of you reviewers here with a 480 can confirm this?

If true, someone should come up with some sort of heatpipe extension to a hotplate, so you can keep your coffee/tea/hot cocoa warm and near boiling while at idle.

Regards,
SB

 

[tannat]

http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-470-480-review/21

That means that Hard and Gurur3d are the only ones out there with correct dirt2 results?

 

[DavidGraham]

How true could that be :

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fbbs.expreview.com%2Fthread-28206-1-1.html

According to friends rebellion, revealed that in April will release beta version of ForceWare 256.xx, probably just as ForceWare 150.xx the same version of the Great Leap Forward. Bounded time, GF100 real performance will be reflected, PCI was also Baoliao (Citie SB who has been ruined), probably about 30% higher than the increase. It is estimated that around May, the official version will be out.

 

[Mindfury]

How true could that be :

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fbbs.expreview.com%2Fthread-28206-1-1.html

PHK's typical bullshit.

 

[Rangers]

Most consumers don't really shop based on efficiency, with the exception of mobile products where it effects battery life, if they did, there wouldn't be so many gas-guzzlers on the road, so many incandescents and halogens in people's homes. The customer mostly cares about performance and cost.

Except Gas Guzzlers and incandescent are banned or on the way now. How much longer GPU's?

California recently enacted strict new power regulations on flat screen TV's (stringent enough they're said to essentially ban Plasma's in the future) I keep wondering when GPU's are next.

 

[air_ii]

That means that Hard and Gurur3d are the only ones out there with correct dirt2 results?

Techpowerup benched all cards under DX9. It's better than mixing two, but I'd like to see DX11 results for DX11 cards! Just checked they used 9.12 drivers (what the...).

What I would really like to see is a review that compares all games at 8xAA, which is what you would game at anyway, when you have those cards (Fermi/Cypress).

 

[Rangers]

I think you mean 3 GTX 480's.

Crossfire 5970's?

Can you do 3/4 way 5970?

 

[nyt]

Techpowerup benched all cards under DX9. It's better than mixing two, but I'd like to see DX11 results for DX11 cards! Just checked they used 9.12 drivers (what the...).

What I would really like to see is a review that compares all games at 8xAA, which is what you would game at anyway, when you have those cards (Fermi/Cypress).

Like this?
http://www.hardware.fr/articles/787-18/dossier-nvidia-geforce-gtx-480.html
Although they made sure to use latest drivers and proper settings (especially true 8X MSAA for GTX),
it's unfortunate in my opinion that Tridam chose to use unplayable settings in some games which skews results big time.. That plus recommending the 480 as the better value. Absolute best single GPU in most games at a high cost/heat/noise certainly, but not the best value IMO.

 

[Kaotik]

Techpowerup benched all cards under DX9. It's better than mixing two, but I'd like to see DX11 results for DX11 cards! Just checked they used 9.12 drivers (what the...).

There's something strange going on there, they've used 9.12's on the MSI HD5870 Lightning test too

 

[CarstenS]

That means that Hard and Gurur3d are the only ones out there with correct dirt2 results?

I think that merely means, that you should take a careful look at the results of your review sites of choice. And if in doubt, inquire about their testing methods. They should surely reply to that because what's it good for to throw bars at your readers without being able to give them some meaning after all?

 

[Cookie Monster]

That means that Hard and Gurur3d are the only ones out there with correct dirt2 results?

Hardware canuck's Dirt2 bench

Being one of the newest games on the market, DiRT 2 cuts an imposing figure in terms of image quality and effects fidelity. We find that to benchmark this game the in-game tool is by far the best option. However, due to small variances from one race to another, three benchmark runs are done instead of the normal two. It should also be mentioned that the demo version of the game was NOT used since after careful testing, the performance of the demo is not representative of the final product. DX11 was forced through the game’s config file. In addition, you will see that these scores do not line up with our older benchmarks at all. This is due to the fact that a patch was recently rolled out for the game which included performance optimizations in addition to new graphics options.

 

[Alexko]

Like this?
http://www.hardware.fr/articles/787-18/dossier-nvidia-geforce-gtx-480.html
Although they made sure to use latest drivers and proper settings (especially true 8X MSAA for GTX),
it's unfortunate in my opinion that Tridam chose to use unplayable settings in some games which skews results big time.. That plus recommending the 480 as the better value. Absolute best single GPU in most games at a high cost/heat/noise certainly, but not the best value IMO.

Yes, especially this: http://www.hardware.fr/medias/photos_news/00/28/IMG0028338.gif

There's clearly something wrong with AA here, maybe the 5870 is running out of memory... Whatever the case, it's a TWIIMTBP game that was released less than 2 weeks ago. Might be a good idea to be cautious about such results until AMD has had a few weeks to work on drivers.

 

[CarstenS]

Hardware canuck's Dirt2 bench

One of the performance optimizations was to reduce cubemap size and postprocessing. "very high" (or whatever it's called in the original language of the game) settings do represent a lower number in the config-file. Go figure.

 

[Rebel44]

It is the application/game that decides which DX-level to use, right? If so, in what way can the driver influence the which DX rendering path is preferred? If the reviews are comparing a DX9 path against the DX11 path, is it then simply not a case of the reviewers being clueless?

Problem was that lots of reviewers use Dirt 2 demo in which Fermi runs in DX9.

 

[tannat]

Hardware canuck's Dirt2 bench

So in dx11 GTX480 has only a strong lead in low resolutions/low AA. While it is dominating in dx9.

This is interesting , and a little contrary to my expectations.

 

[DeF]

So in dx11 GTX480 has only a strong lead in low resolutions/low AA. While it is dominating in dx9.

This is interesting , and a little contrary to my expectations.

Can anyone explain why radeons do so poorly in FC2 but mGPU scalling is so good?

 

[jimbo75]

I guarantee in two to three months time all the positives from yesterdays reviewers concerning these cards will be gone - replaced with nothing except talk of how hot and how much of a power hog they are.

Had they been 20C cooler and 100w better at the wall, they'd have been really nice cards, but at those temps and power levels they are not worth it and I doubt anybody would use one instead of a 5870.

 

[ferro]

So in dx11 GTX480 has only a strong lead in low resolutions/low AA. While it is dominating in dx9.

This is interesting , and a little contrary to my expectations.

Tweakers.net benched Dirt2 in DirectX 9 and DirectX 11 mode.

As soon as the DirectX 11 render path is being used, the GTX480's lead disappears like snow in the sun. This is because the GTX480 suffers more from the extra calculations than the HD 5870.

 

[Neb]

Are you crazy? HardOCP test what settings will user be able to use and still keep game smooth - which is for me as customer much more importants than just numbers on some dumb ingame benchmark.

I trust Kyle (and Anand, but I prefer HardOCP type of tests) much more than most other reviewers. NV fanboys are clearly retarded - when Kyle was saying bad things about 2900XT it was OK, but when he does the same to GTX470 and 480 he is suddenly biassed

No, I am sane and that is why I am questioning their benches to certain point. You just cant compare games with say 2 different methods for TSAA in numbers as Visual IQ might differ and bottlenecks/perfomance hit differ etc. By having different methods for image quality enabled there will be different image IQ results but you cant see that in numbers and thus you cant really validate if perfomance is acceptable for what you get, see?

And I dont give a shit about ATI vs Nvidia fanboys, both sides act equally retarded as goes for the fanboys. As a PC gamer I am solely interested in the GPU not brand and I want good perfomance, innovative usable tech and a reasonable price for the tech. The reason I went with a 4870 and 4890 (DX10,1, tesselation, price vs perfomance). So please lets leave out the fanboy comments. :smile:

 

[trinibwoy]

How true could that be :

http://translate.google.com/transla...ttp://bbs.expreview.com/thread-28206-1-1.html

Saw that mentioned in another review somewhere. But it wasn't performance related. The 2xx series is supposed to bring 3D Surround support. Given the numbers that will be solely 480 SLI territory.