NVIDIA discussion [2025]

[DuckThor Evil]

I fail to see what is the point of comparing the 1080ti from 2017 to the 5070 again? 5070 would be even more awesome if it is compared to a GTX 280...

That said, the 5000 series is looking pretty good to me, although personally the 3GB modules are needed here. 5080 with 24GB or 5070 with 18GB would make those much more appealing to me. Currently I'm happy with my 4070 Super, but we'll see.

 

[Albuquerque]

I fail to see what is the point of comparing the 1080ti from 2017 to the 5070 again? 5070 would be even more awesome if it is compared to a GTX 280...

The argument was somehow cost is going up without checks or balances. As it turns out, costs are going down in comparable hardware, however the absolute ceiling on performance is an order of magnitude higher now. I also chose the 1080 Ti purposefully as it is continually regarded as the last of the "best performance per dollar" cards, yet somehow it underperforms and is overpriced by modern equipment. Once again proving costs have continued to reduce in both absolute and relative terms, yet the halo series still costs more not because it's necessary, but because people are willing and able to pay for it.

It really shouldn't be surprising to anyone, but somehow people still miss it.

They’re a lot more expensive if your criteria is “I used to max out games for $600” or “The best card used to cost $700” whether or not those things are actually true or relevant.

But did we though? There's another conversation somewhere on this forum about how high AA and high resolution and high framerates really never happened in the top AAA titles because there still wasn't enough horsepower then, either. It always ends up being a circular argument (as you well know and alluded to in your reply) because one person will have a story about how this one game could be maxxed out and they remember it fully and blah blah, but then another person remembers this other game couldn't be maxxed out... But then we devolve into whether "max" graphical options mean anything, and then who would even notice, inevitably by the same people with strong opinions on how "fake frames" have no place in high quality graphics output.

My statement remains: we are getting more and better hardware for our dollar, even though the absolute maximum prices continue to go up. Why do they continue to go up? Because no amount of money RIGHT NOW could ever buy you the performance you're about to get from a 5090. Does that mean everyone needs a 5090? Does that mean ANYONE needs a 5090? Nope. But they're gonna make a ton of them, and they're gonna sell them all, because people will want them and will be willing to pay for them.

 

[DuckThor Evil]

The argument was somehow cost is going up without checks or balances. As it turns out, costs are going down in comparable hardware, however the absolute ceiling on performance is an order of magnitude higher now. I also chose the 1080 Ti purposefully as it is continually regarded as the last of the "best performance per dollar" cards, yet somehow it underperforms and is overpriced by modern equipment. Once again proving costs have continued to reduce in both absolute and relative terms, yet the halo series still costs more not because it's necessary, but because people are willing and able to pay for it.

It really shouldn't be surprising to anyone, but somehow people still miss it.

I understand and personally I'm at peace with these companies pricing their products, but Imo it's a fact that nVidia has become much more "efficient" in pricing their lineup and consumers has been on the losing side of this tug of war. GTX 570 was 94% of the biggest die enabled, 5070 is something else. 1080Ti in 2017 was also an epic performance monster and nobody was worrying about it having enough memory for games. Back then nVidia left money on the table, these days they are a bit better at not doing it. But yeah the 5000 looks reasonable to me, I just want to see those 3GB modules.

 

[homerdog]

I think after the crytoboom NVIDIA realized the true value of what they were selling. The cards are worth what people will pay for them, for better or worse.