Nvidia demonstrating the next gen

[Oompa Loompa]

If people bought the GF2U in the quantities NVIDIA planned for, then by definition it wasn't overpriced.

With respect to the NV35, according to X-Bit Labs it has 5 million extra transistors (130 million total).

By your definition maybe.

Just me and the rest of the world. Pricing, in a market economy, is determined by what consumers are willing to pay. Underpriced products are those that return less revenue than they should, and overpriced products are those that clog the supply chain because of unexpectedly low sales.

A very expensive "boutique" product is not overpriced, even if sales volumes are low, if you planned for this and never made very many of them in the first place.

If a product sells beyond your expectations, as the GF2U did beyond NVIDIA's, then it was *under* priced.

Subjective measures, such as those you are applying, are irrelevant. Companies are in business to sell product.

 

[nutball]

Indeed. Just because lots of people can't afford something, doesn't mean it's overpriced!

 

[epicstruggle]

Companies are in business to sell product.

I thought it was to maximize profits.

later,

 

[SlmDnk]

Movie of the 4x Dawn demo, ~9MB.

http://download.watch.impress.co.jp/pc/2003/0307/kaigai.mov

 

[shaderman]

Well, by that measure, several ATI products are vaporware as well. Fry's has a shitty product selection, which usually sells near MSRP to boot.

sorry. don't give a fry about ATI either.

just that facts. NV FX is complete marketing HYPE.

to ATI's credit, the 9700P has been available at Fry's and at other retailers for 6+ months.

but the NV fan-butts still chime away on these boards about the virtues of the non-existant FX. amazing.

hey. i wish NV would release a retail product too.

- SM

 

[RussSchultz]

Speaking of FRY's and the R300, I finally saw some 9500 pro's in stock yesterday.

For retail of course. Feh on Fry's in general. At least they have the occasional good loss leader deal.

 

[WaltC]

Prices reflect demand. Higher end cards deliver lower price/performance, because you can charge more in that market. (see DCC/Workstation market for a great example) If NVidia wasn't competing with ATI, ATI could have charged $500 for whatever their highest end card was as well.

ATI's prices are not set because they are "nice guys". You should thank your lucky stars that NVidia and ATI are competiting so vigorously. If fanboys get their wish, and NVidia dies, say hello to slower innovation from ATI and increased prices.

If nVidia fades away it will have had zero to do with "fanboys" and 100% to do with nVidia not shipping competitive products. The old saw about a single dominant company slacking off and charging high prices to keep the market captive is just that--an old saw. When companies do that it opens the door for new companies to come in and produce better products at cheaper prices--like Intel and AMD, for instance. Had Intel been producing the very best products it could make 5 years ago and not *milking* everything to death, and had Intel not been charging ridiculous prices--AMD would never have gotten to first base. Just wanted to make the point that there's always a flip side to everything.

Personally, I am delighted to see nVidia at last suffering some competent competition, and no one was any more surprised than I to see it come from ATI. I have no doubt that it has happened because nVidia assumed some things about its position it had no business ever assuming--that with the absorption of 3dfx it had passed its last major hurdle.

If nVidia proves incapable of ever sustaining past momentums I won't shed a tear--if they go the way of 3dfx eventually it will be for precisely the same basic reason--the inability to produce competitive products in a timely fashion. I think it no more logical to wish nVidia continued success in shipping PR instead of hardware than it would have been to have wished that for 3dfx. If nVidia can stay in the game--great. If not, someone else will step up to the plate--of that I have no doubt. Whether it's ATI, nVidia, or 3dfx, we don't need PR companies, we need good hardware companies, IMO.

 

[KimB]

If nVidia fades away it will have had zero to do with "fanboys" and 100% to do with nVidia not shipping competitive products.

Right. Which is why nVidia is showing no signs of serious business problems yet (particularly when you consider the GeForce FX 5200 and nForce2 products, which are certainly the best products in their class).

 

[Bjorn]

... Had Intel been producing the very best products it could make 5 years ago and not *milking* everything to death, and had Intel not been charging ridiculous prices--AMD would never have gotten to first base. Just wanted to make the point that there's always a flip side to everything.

Yep, and that's exactly the thing Democoder is talking about. Why do you think Intel started *milking* everything to death and so forth ?

Perhaps because they were the single dominant company at that time ?

 

[Heathen]

Right. Which is why nVidia is showing no signs of serious business problems yet (particularly when you consider the GeForce FX 5200 and nForce2 products, which are certainly the best products in their class).

Yet being the operative word, while the nforce2 is certainly shipping and extremely good, just where can you buy a 5200? (Not even sure I'd agree it was best in class without seeing performance, even then if IQ is as the NV30...)

 

[micron]

Fry's isnt just selling 9500Pro's....they're selling Visiontek 9500Pro's....(wants one)