NVDA doubled in price in 8 months?
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guess it is time to buy ati... completly undervalued.
or do you see any market where ati doesnt seem to be nvidias equal:
more ati graphics in notebooks
ati is (succesfully in my oppinion) trying to get into the motherboard sector
ati's crossfire is maturing
if nvidia comes out with a better chip ati can and will respond with price, and later on with a better architecture/more ram/faster ram what ever.... the same goes for nvidia ;-)
ati seems to be on a better foot with intel..... who still sells more than 70 percent of the cpus..... and intel will hopefully not try to cheat the chipset makers again
oh.. and ati also has a product in the handheld sector....
so.... any reason why ati should be valued less than nvidia?
ps: i just this morning learnt not to play in a stock market and industry i dont understand as much about as i do about gaming and pc hardware, atleast not before learning alot about it, i lost 3/4 of the 25 percent i achieved in the past 2 weeks.
considering i started those 2 weeks ago and i am still happy about those 5 percent left......... and amd/ati are now my long time favorites.
anyone care to say some negative about this choice?
or do you see any market where ati doesnt seem to be nvidias equal:
more ati graphics in notebooks
ati is (succesfully in my oppinion) trying to get into the motherboard sector
ati's crossfire is maturing
if nvidia comes out with a better chip ati can and will respond with price, and later on with a better architecture/more ram/faster ram what ever.... the same goes for nvidia ;-)
ati seems to be on a better foot with intel..... who still sells more than 70 percent of the cpus..... and intel will hopefully not try to cheat the chipset makers again
oh.. and ati also has a product in the handheld sector....
so.... any reason why ati should be valued less than nvidia?
ps: i just this morning learnt not to play in a stock market and industry i dont understand as much about as i do about gaming and pc hardware, atleast not before learning alot about it, i lost 3/4 of the 25 percent i achieved in the past 2 weeks.
considering i started those 2 weeks ago and i am still happy about those 5 percent left......... and amd/ati are now my long time favorites.
anyone care to say some negative about this choice?
ATi never had a realy strong stock, i cant remeber the last time they were past 20-25 USD. 3 yrs ago their stock hit rock bottom at 4usd~ per stock. NV allways had a strong stock, they droped by alot about the same time as the ATi stocks, going down from 55usd they hit thier lowest vlaue at around 10-9usd.
Ive got to sort out my bloomberg one of these days. To many other things to do.
Anyway, as to why ATI is cheaper than Nvidia. Without checking, I would say its because there are more share issues with ATI than Nvidia.
Number out of arse:
2mm shares at x for ATI
1mm shares at 2x for Nvidia
As I said, I havent checked issue numbers, but I think this is a fair guess.
Ali
Anyway, as to why ATI is cheaper than Nvidia. Without checking, I would say its because there are more share issues with ATI than Nvidia.
Number out of arse:
2mm shares at x for ATI
1mm shares at 2x for Nvidia
As I said, I havent checked issue numbers, but I think this is a fair guess.
Ali
DOGMA1138 said:
Dont use Yahoo to gauge where ATI or NV were max and min for stock prices. NV hit 90+ a share 3 times before the bubble burst. And NV was just over 13 in june, not 24. One of my customers is a money manager and does the stock market, she made out huge as I told her then to buy NV. She did, 10Gs worth. She sold it when it hit 47, she made over 25g from her initial investment.
tieros said:It was 9.65 in summer '04 when I bought mine. There's no smiley big enough to convey how I feel when I think about that
Bah I bought at ~ $18, but I didn't buy enough unfortunately
I still think there's some upside though - margins on chipsets are great, margins on 90nm GPU's should be better than G70 and they are making serious inroads into the notebook space (although margins in that sector arent' that great).hmmm... now that i really try to daytrade i seem to suck... this morning was baaaad.
so... amd 40.5 in the morning ati 17.2
now...
PEOPLE....... BUY Shares NOW exactly NOW
ati and nvidia have been hit hard one hour ago and are sure to get better... sadly all my funds are bound........ fuck fuck fuck
so... amd 40.5 in the morning ati 17.2
now...
PEOPLE....... BUY Shares NOW exactly NOW
ati and nvidia have been hit hard one hour ago and are sure to get better... sadly all my funds are bound........ fuck fuck fuck
oh.... dont forget to thank me....... 
i dont understand......... amd is better than in the morning..... and nvidia/ati are still lumbering down there (lumbering the correct word?)......
generally..... shouldnt graphic chips maker be more worth and secure than cpu developers?
even if the main cpu architecture would change from x86 to something from sun/ibm/whoever....... ati and nvidia would still sell their graphic cards......
examples: the ibm macintoshs...... ps3/gamecube/xbox..... whatever console out there right now..... xcept the old ps2.
i dont understand......... amd is better than in the morning..... and nvidia/ati are still lumbering down there (lumbering the correct word?)......
generally..... shouldnt graphic chips maker be more worth and secure than cpu developers?
even if the main cpu architecture would change from x86 to something from sun/ibm/whoever....... ati and nvidia would still sell their graphic cards......
examples: the ibm macintoshs...... ps3/gamecube/xbox..... whatever console out there right now..... xcept the old ps2.
ok ok il stop ranting my trading issues........ but if somenone is also interested in that, ..... please give me an pm and il send my contacts....
ps: i just started 2 weeks ago...... so.... i yet have no idea how to foresee the small crashes in the us trading system..... so... i just have to wait and buy when low....
should make 2-4 percent a week. maybe more. and then with high leverage
kk.. have a nice day
btw: ati and nvidia now rising again....... should be 2-4 percent higher at the end of the day.
ps: i just started 2 weeks ago...... so.... i yet have no idea how to foresee the small crashes in the us trading system..... so... i just have to wait and buy when low....
should make 2-4 percent a week. maybe more. and then with high leverage
kk.. have a nice day
btw: ati and nvidia now rising again....... should be 2-4 percent higher at the end of the day.
booomups, I assume you know, but be careful. Even if you are only doing day trading, you can get hit big time. If you are doing options or anything, make sure you have a decent strangle or else you can end up loosing more than you put in - ie your house.
By the way, Im the IT Manager of a relatively small hedge fund (1.3b portfolio) and its very obvious that you will never make money long term by trading by the seat of your pants. Work out a decent way of limiting your loss first, THEN worry about making money.
Ali
By the way, Im the IT Manager of a relatively small hedge fund (1.3b portfolio) and its very obvious that you will never make money long term by trading by the seat of your pants. Work out a decent way of limiting your loss first, THEN worry about making money.
Ali
thanks for the advice and good intention.
i am currently just trading cfd's... and only with the 2500 dollars i currently have on the account.... and then using the leverage possibility. so... trading with 25000dollars.
i generally view this time now as learning expirience.... and well.....
at the beginning i stood firm to my amd.... won200 dollars.. then it went down from the 40 at which i bought them to the 38.... where i bought again... and so i made some hundreds plus when it reached 40 again.
--> trading amd was good... because i felt sure of the company and made no panick selling. But that analysts like ml and others have a big impact on the short term trading really frustrates me.
then i tryed to use shortselling with ati, when i felt that they rose too high in too short a time....... just from judging the course history i was sure it would fall again a little bit.
--> made some money..... but was risky because of short selling... and now i see how undwervalued ati is compared to nvidia.
then.. yesterday i judged right that the short downslide and missinterpretation of the japanese stockmarket and the negative oppinion of meryl linch regarding sonys ps3 would not be a reason to keep the stock on the low level....... so i bought some toyota, honda, and sony shares..... and sold them with a good win, but then they rose even higher.... but i stil was happy.
now all that was good.....and ok....
but since then i lost 400 dollars on a australien mining company... where i made a panick sell, because i didnt really know anything about the company or industry.
---> i will stay away from things i yet dont understand (and i anyway dont support oil gas and cole) --> stay true to my ideology, i will just feel better, even when loosing
and today i lost alot by buying ati....i bought them because i now am sure they will rise high, and then came the general down in the us stocks.... and even now they didnt recover,.... good time to buy more of them.....
alltogether i now am 100 dollar short of what i had in the account in the beginning
and i now see that i also have to look out for oil crisis, political talks about rate changes....... and so on.........
well.... i think it s fun.... i learn a lot.... and if i get good at it, i can live anywhere.. working anytime i want... and so on.... teaching english too kids in indonesia while i do my fun job..... sounds pleasent.
regarding security against losses...... my broker will sell when i exceed the margin..... so..... shouldnt go below 0, and i maybe try to have different brokers, and when i dont watch the market maybe just sell everything.
and most of all..... while trading i listen to language learning tapes (mp3s) and so i am learning chinese and japanese. adding that to the german, french, little indonesian and spanish....... i will try to trade globaly.... and for the japanese market english is enough...
best friend of mine is learning russian..... so.... if i will need that
ok.. was long....... but that sums up my experience up until now.
my broker is specialising in foreign exchange and is dayly giving trading advice... real time.... i followed and looked if following theyre advice gets a positive result.....
---> is also an option...... secure but without 100-200% gains ;-)
i am currently just trading cfd's... and only with the 2500 dollars i currently have on the account.... and then using the leverage possibility. so... trading with 25000dollars.
i generally view this time now as learning expirience.... and well.....
at the beginning i stood firm to my amd.... won200 dollars.. then it went down from the 40 at which i bought them to the 38.... where i bought again... and so i made some hundreds plus when it reached 40 again.
--> trading amd was good... because i felt sure of the company and made no panick selling. But that analysts like ml and others have a big impact on the short term trading really frustrates me.
then i tryed to use shortselling with ati, when i felt that they rose too high in too short a time....... just from judging the course history i was sure it would fall again a little bit.
--> made some money..... but was risky because of short selling... and now i see how undwervalued ati is compared to nvidia.
then.. yesterday i judged right that the short downslide and missinterpretation of the japanese stockmarket and the negative oppinion of meryl linch regarding sonys ps3 would not be a reason to keep the stock on the low level....... so i bought some toyota, honda, and sony shares..... and sold them with a good win, but then they rose even higher.... but i stil was happy.
now all that was good.....and ok....
but since then i lost 400 dollars on a australien mining company... where i made a panick sell, because i didnt really know anything about the company or industry.
---> i will stay away from things i yet dont understand (and i anyway dont support oil gas and cole) --> stay true to my ideology, i will just feel better, even when loosing
and today i lost alot by buying ati....i bought them because i now am sure they will rise high, and then came the general down in the us stocks.... and even now they didnt recover,.... good time to buy more of them.....
alltogether i now am 100 dollar short of what i had in the account in the beginning
and i now see that i also have to look out for oil crisis, political talks about rate changes....... and so on.........
well.... i think it s fun.... i learn a lot.... and if i get good at it, i can live anywhere.. working anytime i want... and so on.... teaching english too kids in indonesia while i do my fun job..... sounds pleasent.
regarding security against losses...... my broker will sell when i exceed the margin..... so..... shouldnt go below 0, and i maybe try to have different brokers, and when i dont watch the market maybe just sell everything.
and most of all..... while trading i listen to language learning tapes (mp3s) and so i am learning chinese and japanese. adding that to the german, french, little indonesian and spanish....... i will try to trade globaly.... and for the japanese market english is enough...
best friend of mine is learning russian..... so.... if i will need that
ok.. was long....... but that sums up my experience up until now.
my broker is specialising in foreign exchange and is dayly giving trading advice... real time.... i followed and looked if following theyre advice gets a positive result.....
---> is also an option...... secure but without 100-200% gains ;-)
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oh and..... yeah...
i still see trading etc as one hell of a worthless job...xcept for the money and fun.
the same goes for handbag designer, athlets, perfume engineer and whatever else doesnt add any "good" value to our society.
so..... if i dont succed at this i will study some natural sciences.... maybe biology and nanotechnology...... who knows.... but there is still no guaranty that i could work on something useful...... everything depends uppon wether someone pays to study HIV virus or not.... so stupid. fucking system
(i hope i dont get any hostility here for this oppinion?)
i still see trading etc as one hell of a worthless job...xcept for the money and fun.
the same goes for handbag designer, athlets, perfume engineer and whatever else doesnt add any "good" value to our society.
so..... if i dont succed at this i will study some natural sciences.... maybe biology and nanotechnology...... who knows.... but there is still no guaranty that i could work on something useful...... everything depends uppon wether someone pays to study HIV virus or not.... so stupid. fucking system
(i hope i dont get any hostility here for this oppinion?)
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Sounds like you are doing it the smart way. Im still not convinced 'seat of your pants' trading is the way to go long term, but if you are limiting yourself to fields you know, you should be ok.
Now, Im IT rather than a trader (going for FSA at some stage though), but our traders are spending a lot of their time keeping an eye on GMAC. When that moves the whole market will move (according to them).
Also, I understand your views about trading being useless, but I think you are wrong. On the face of it sure, and if we were living about 1000 years ago, also sure. The thing is that most companies that wants to grow, so make more jobs, need capital. Bonds or share issues are a good way of doing that. Remember that no money is being removed from circulation, its all being used. The useless people are those who stick their money under the matress.
Trading is also a great way to bring the worlds people togeather. As you yourself say, you are learning more languages partually due to trading.
Just remember, "The market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent".
Ali
Now, Im IT rather than a trader (going for FSA at some stage though), but our traders are spending a lot of their time keeping an eye on GMAC. When that moves the whole market will move (according to them).
Also, I understand your views about trading being useless, but I think you are wrong. On the face of it sure, and if we were living about 1000 years ago, also sure. The thing is that most companies that wants to grow, so make more jobs, need capital. Bonds or share issues are a good way of doing that. Remember that no money is being removed from circulation, its all being used. The useless people are those who stick their money under the matress.
Trading is also a great way to bring the worlds people togeather. As you yourself say, you are learning more languages partually due to trading.
Just remember, "The market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent".
Ali
(what is an FSA? answers.com didnt help)
well.. i never said anything against investors ;-)
it s just that too few seem to really invest instead of speculating.
and i saw how tempting that was and is.
but regarding safety... now that i use stop loss orders, one of the few things left to be afraid of is a total market failure.
... how do you like that reasoning:
investing in the graphic card market in the long term has one advantage regarding security over the intel/amd pair. Even if an IBM, SUN or whoever could develope an cpu architecture so much better then the current x86, so that a shift from x86 follows, ati/nvidia would still deliver the graphic cards.
example: ps3, apple computers with ibm chips all other consoles.
well... as soon as my money is in there i start thinking something as unnecesary as this (atleast for the next few years).
and regarding things i dont understand at all:
UBS, i know the bank because here in zürich they are also a bank for everyone (small accounts, student accounts, savings accounts).
But when i was in southeast asia i was so higly impressed by the UBS buildings and offices in the capitals, and when i got home i even thought about applying for a job/education (correct word for that?) at ubs. --> I get a very solid image of the company.
But to think that the 50 percent increase in the share price since then was anything but a coincidence should be foolish.
greetings and have a good day
booomups
well.. i never said anything against investors ;-)
it s just that too few seem to really invest instead of speculating.
and i saw how tempting that was and is.
but regarding safety... now that i use stop loss orders, one of the few things left to be afraid of is a total market failure.
... how do you like that reasoning:
investing in the graphic card market in the long term has one advantage regarding security over the intel/amd pair. Even if an IBM, SUN or whoever could develope an cpu architecture so much better then the current x86, so that a shift from x86 follows, ati/nvidia would still deliver the graphic cards.
example: ps3, apple computers with ibm chips all other consoles.
well... as soon as my money is in there i start thinking something as unnecesary as this (atleast for the next few years).
and regarding things i dont understand at all:
UBS, i know the bank because here in zürich they are also a bank for everyone (small accounts, student accounts, savings accounts).
But when i was in southeast asia i was so higly impressed by the UBS buildings and offices in the capitals, and when i got home i even thought about applying for a job/education (correct word for that?) at ubs. --> I get a very solid image of the company.
But to think that the 50 percent increase in the share price since then was anything but a coincidence should be foolish.
greetings and have a good day
booomups
kk.... i got it ;-)
60 percent of my money goes into ati and nvidia, 20percent amd and 10 percent to intel........
and with the rest il try to explore other markets.....
i mean.....as long as games wont support multipple cpus with a big performance gain, there is not much reason to buy quad cores. regarding mhz of each core both amd and intel seem to be stuck.... hell an oveclocked sockel a still owns bad.
so.... what do you think will you guys rather upgrade to: to a quad/octa core cpu where each core has lower mhh (ghz for that) or to a new graphic card with double the ula blabla shaderpower and doubble the ram?
as long as the games stay single threaded (only using one core fully and maybe 20-30% of the second) the answer seems clear.
see sli/crossfire and the performance gain.
and ati/nvidia seem seriously wanting to be king in the mainboard buissnes.
and the thought of nvida offering theire own 64bit cpu seems so much more realistic then intel/amd suddenly offering theire own competitive graphic cards.
not to forget that nvidia/ati really could push the soundcard buissnes away from creative.
soo.... yeah... ati/nvidia as long time investment and sometimes checking on theire strategys..... that should be good
your oppinions....
and should i open a new thread?
60 percent of my money goes into ati and nvidia, 20percent amd and 10 percent to intel........
and with the rest il try to explore other markets.....
i mean.....as long as games wont support multipple cpus with a big performance gain, there is not much reason to buy quad cores. regarding mhz of each core both amd and intel seem to be stuck.... hell an oveclocked sockel a still owns bad.
so.... what do you think will you guys rather upgrade to: to a quad/octa core cpu where each core has lower mhh (ghz for that) or to a new graphic card with double the ula blabla shaderpower and doubble the ram?
as long as the games stay single threaded (only using one core fully and maybe 20-30% of the second) the answer seems clear.
see sli/crossfire and the performance gain.
and ati/nvidia seem seriously wanting to be king in the mainboard buissnes.
and the thought of nvida offering theire own 64bit cpu seems so much more realistic then intel/amd suddenly offering theire own competitive graphic cards.
not to forget that nvidia/ati really could push the soundcard buissnes away from creative.
soo.... yeah... ati/nvidia as long time investment and sometimes checking on theire strategys..... that should be good
your oppinions....
and should i open a new thread?
and.. how difficult is it to get a heavily multicore using game (on the x86 platform)
to the cpus of ibm/sun whoever... (if such a game ever exists)
i mean...... thats what they are doing with the xbox360 and ps3 right now........
if it is not that much of work, then a change to cpu from someone else then amd/intel seems even more possible..... sometime
to the cpus of ibm/sun whoever... (if such a game ever exists)
i mean...... thats what they are doing with the xbox360 and ps3 right now........
if it is not that much of work, then a change to cpu from someone else then amd/intel seems even more possible..... sometime
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