corduroygt
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NPD July 2010
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Nintendo have published eight of those titles! Now that's how to monetise the gaming market!
In the USA the system is dead and with MS launching win phone 7 sony wont have a chance with another traditional handheld.
In fact I think the 3DS will be the last traditional handheld to make any sort of moves in the general public.
But the rage demo on the iphone truely shows that portable gaming will be more and more on cell phones.
corduroygt
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I don't see how you can see windows 7 phone toppling iphone AND android? iphone OS is slicker, smoother, and more polished, while Android is FREE, so where is room for win 7?
Andriod is hardly FREE as you like to put it.
Win 7 phone has plenty of room to grow. Where was the room for andriod the last two years?
No while iphone is stuck in the middle ages with its clunky interface , and andriod has a dozen phones running almost as many verisons. MS will deliever a great OS with gaming in mind that attaches to a large eco system already in place.
One place with room for win7 is gaming and for those who wouldn't mind playing mass effect mini games to get cash or items for mass effect 3 linked through live. Or people willing to play sabaac for The old republic when stuck waiting for a flight and able to make money for the character.
Or a tower defense verison of halo.
Or people just wanting to increase gamer points.
There are alot of place for windows phone 7 to grow. Its the same places a sony andriod psp has to grow except unlike sony , ms is able to actually develop the software needed to make it work just look at live verses psn.
I've now been lucky enough to use all 3 OS's and win 7 phone is the best one out of the three (i've used an iphone 4 , samsung moment with andriod 2.1 and a beta win 7 phone from samsung)
I don't know about that. PSP doesn't do well in US anyway but as a homebrew machine, it's pretty interesting. Windows Mobile 7 has bigger problems to worry about than competing with a dedicated gaming console. It needs to compete with the other phones first.
This I kinda agree, but as John Carmack says... he's more interested in the output. Gaming requires input and output, amongst other things. So if a dedicated game console like 3DS or something else can satisfy the users better, then they may have a shot with the core gamers. Or a phone can do a little more to appeal to gaming needs (hence, gaming phone).
But really, without seeing the product, it's hard to say anything meaningful. At least with 3DS, we have more concrete things to oggle and talk about.
Every goddamn month.
The PSP is doing fine everywhere except the US. In Japan it's in a comfortable 2nd place (YTD 10% behind the DS, 37% ahead of the Wii, which is 3rd). Actually, it sold twice as many units in Japan in 2010 so far as it did in the US. And it consistently sells more software than the Wii.
If you follow EU charts, there too you'll find that PSP games have a much easier time charting than in the US.
Sony will not abandon a platform that's rolling in good business. The US is not the only place of relevance in the world.
The US simply hates portable gaming. It's all blue ocean, tie-in shovelware for kids and piracy, PSP and DS alike. Dragon Quest IX opening at maybe 150k should tell you as much.
Anyway,
(version with launches aligned)
But quite possibly the most relevant country in an NPD thread.
Yes, but it also means that we may not be able to use the info here alone to infer the full picture.
Silent_Buddha
Legend
Add to that, NDS + Wii = 13 titles. Whether Nintendo is publishing the titles or not, that's a lot of revenue from publishing + licensing even in a traditionally slow month.
And interesting that 4 of those are solidly targetted at kids. Another 5 are kids mostly, but with some attraction for adults (Harry Potter and Super Mario games)
Also an interesting comparison between PSP and DS. Both in Japan and the US, the PSP tends to target an older demographic while the DS tends to target children and young teens. There's exceptions on both sides of that, of course, but in general they tend to follow that.
Which makes it interesting that if you market to Children, you will be universally accepted regardless of market conditions. Whereas for portable gaming, at least in the US, the older demographic doesn't seem to buy into it.
It's amazing how much control children have over their parents pocketbook.
Regards,
SB
Super Mario may not be a kid's game. Need to look at the stats. It may be a gamer's game, young and old.
The people at work who recommended Wii games to me are all twenty something. And they ranked Super Mario first.
May be Nintendo knows how to make games that appeal to "everyone" (busy people with little time, kids, female gamers, etc.)
The people at work who recommended Wii games to me are all twenty something. And they ranked Super Mario first.
May be Nintendo knows how to make games that appeal to "everyone" (busy people with little time, kids, female gamers, etc.)
Silent_Buddha
Legend
Aye, Nintendo's big strength is they know how to appeal to children. If they get you hooked at a young age, you'll continue with those games. See Super Mario games... It's ostensibly targetted at children and young teens, but remains appealing to adults through both nostalgia and appropriately engaging gameplay.
Neither Sony nor MS up to this point has seriously pursued children as a focus of their marketing or game making. Yes there's the movie tie ins and they occasionally throw a bone to the children (Eye Pet and Viva Pinata for example), but it's almost an afterthought rather than a focused direction of developement.
MS is starting to make noise that it's interested in going that route, but it remains to be seen how serious they are about it. Sony still appears to not have much of a focus there although they have scattered efforts here and there (Free Realms for example).
That's a large part of why Nintendo has always remained relevant even when they haven't been on top of the market, IMO.
How many people bought Wii and NDS not for themselves but for their children or grandchildren for example? I'd say a much larger percentage (of install base) versus either of the other consoles. Children...the easy way to get parents and grandparents to spend money.
Regards,
SB
Games like AngryBird, or Tetris can hook people at any age. Not just children. One doesn't have to start as a child to like them. It may be a misconception to think that they are for kids primarily.
When I was in Asia, *Everyone* (Every iPhone owner I talked to and their kids) plays AngryBird.
Will need to play Super Mario before I know if it is one of those.
When I was in Asia, *Everyone* (Every iPhone owner I talked to and their kids) plays AngryBird.
Will need to play Super Mario before I know if it is one of those.
I think if you can appeal to children you can appeal to everyone inner child. Or rather, there are some three divisions of market - childrens games that are targeted at children's tastes, like EyePet, which adults can't relate to and get bored with; serious games that are either horrific or complicated and deter a lot of people; and fun games with universal appeal. Pixar movies are built around this last idea, and I don't think it's by age discrimination, "we'll put in this for the children and this for the adults," but a broad appreciation of human beings and what common likes irrespective of how many years one has on the clock.
I think Nintendo's great success is they enable adults to let go and just play without feeling self-conscious, whereas the other consoles tend to have 'serious games for serious gamers' which limits their games appeal. Who here has played and enjoyed EyePet, rather than got it for their kids? How many games have people bought for them and their children? On Nintendo's platforms, Nintendo's titles are unviersally for everyone. Gamers begrudge the lack of hardcore titles, but that lack of discrimination has made for an incredibly profitable generation for Ninty.
AFAIK Starcraft 2 has sold about 750k in the US in July, according to NPD. Might have sucked away some bucks from the hardcore console games? It runs on 2-4 years old PCs too, so a lot of console gamers can still have a good time with it, even without a highend system...
Children may like rather mundane entertainment, you know.
Not everything child-focused is enjoyable to an adult.
My 'or rather' explained it better...
If you want to track and discuss its sales, sure. If you start contemplating if Sony should cancel the product line, nope, not at all.
MS, Nokia and Rim all have something to prove at this point in the mobile phone space because the momentum is with Apple and Android/open handset alliance. Just because MS puts Halo on Windows 7 doesn't mean all the teenagers who love Halo and love their Iphone will cancel their contract with AT&T and buy a Windows 7 device.
