News & Rumours: Playstation 4/ Orbis *spin*

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Cross game chat on PS4 it's a reality.
Also more on why PS+ MP pay-wall is good...hopefully it's not just PR.
If PS+ means dedicated servers for MP games on PS4 as well then its worth €4 a month
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wco81 said:
It would be a failure on their part if it's not in stores in good volumes by Black Friday and Cyber Monday.

There should be no exotic components to present a challenge to yields and manufacturing, as was the case with the PS3.

Well, maybe the DDR5 but the APU should be pretty pedestrian by now?
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4Gb GDDR5 required by the PS4 to hit 8GB is still pretty new.
 
Gradthrawn said:
Good video interview with Yoshida about a variety of topics. He clarifies some of the paywalled features beyond online multiplayer for PS4. A few highlights:

  • He did not see "near final" hardware until after the February PS Meeting.
  • Seemed really impressed at how small it was. Felt it looked like a "2nd gen" PS4 in terms of size even though its the first iteration.
  • PS+ Multiplayer Paywall in place to cover additional infrastructure investment.
  • Some current PS+ features on PS3/V will be available to all PS4 users with a PSN account.
  • Automatic trophy sync will be available to all PSN PS4 users (damn well better be, current system is horrible even with Plus :p).
  • Cloud saves remain behind PS+.
  • Automatica downloads and installs behind PS+.
He didn't mention the share functionality, and the interviewer didn't follow up on the particular topic.

Just to be clear, I'm more curious than anything if they're going to paywall any or all of the Share functionality from a feature exposure perspective. As has been previously mentioned, it would be smart to make as much of that available to as many people as possible. As a current Plus subscriber, I'll have it either way (and I'm quite looking forward to it).
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More simultaneous confusion, clarity, and contradictions:

Catch-up TV and online movie services will continue to be free to all PS4 users
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As expected and previously stated. Good.

A PlayStation Plus account will also be required to access PS4's online multiplayer functionality
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Same as above. Consistent with previous statements.

The social features of PS4 and PS4 games sit out of the subscription service... things like auto-updates on PS4 sit outside of PlayStation Plus, so we're trying to be as balanced and as fair as we possibly can.
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This offers some additional clarity. Sounds like the Share button is not paywalled, nor should it be, but it is on other services to enhance the "value proposition".

things like auto-updates on PS4 sit outside of PlayStation Plus, so we're trying to be as balanced and as fair as we possibly can.
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Now this is a complete contradiction with previous statements made by Yoshida in the interview I quoted above.

They haven't update the PS+ site either to provide any written clarity. Heck, it may still be in flux. In my opinion its in their best interest to keep it out of the PS+ paywall in order to meet their stated goal of immediacy. The only way to get closer to immediacy for all users is to get patches and updates downloaded and installed in the background, along with some of the other features they announced (like PlayGo and standby).
 
I thought Sony would want PS4 system updates outside the paywall, at the very least.
Making sure client devices on their service are up to date is beneficial, even if it's free of charge.
 
Many people want that. If confirmed officially, those who use PS for media playback and single player games would be very happy.

I suppose Sony can schedule and streamline the system update to reduce server resources.

I suppose game update will still be inside the pay wall.
 
3dilettante said:
I thought Sony would want PS4 system updates outside the paywall, at the very least.
Making sure client devices on their service are up to date is beneficial, even if it's free of charge.
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Games updates are automatic whether you are silver or gold on the X360, I don't get why it should be any different on the PS4/Xbox One.

News:

Another poll hints at the PS4 being four times more popular than the Xone.

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/414854/cvg-poll-ps4-four-times-more-popular-than-xbox-one/
 
I'm still more interested in the PS4 system software (and social / cloud services) than anything else at this point. It seems like Sony has done an adequate job on the hardware, specs-wise, the controller seems to be getting good reviews, now I want to know what the software will be like.

Most especially, will Sony still support DLNA? Will the online matchmaking be every bit as centralized and standardized as it is on the 360? Will I be able to print to my Canon BubbleJet printer this gen?
 
Cyan said:
Games updates are automatic whether you are silver or gold on the X360, I don't get why it should be any different on the PS4/Xbox One.

News:

Another poll hints at the PS4 being four times more popular than the Xone.

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/414854/cvg-poll-ps4-four-times-more-popular-than-xbox-one/
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May be due to difference in business model. On XBL, MS charges the developers for software updates. That's why few companies can do it (e.g., The indies complained about the $10K update fee).

On PSN, the game updates are "free" to the devs. They can do as many updates as they want. Sony may be trying to recover some of those online costs from PS+ users by automating it. The other users will only update the game if they play it. Otherwise, they won't eat any cost if the game remains unplayed/un-updated on the HDD.
 
patsu said:
May be due to difference in business model. On XBL, MS charges the developers for software updates. That's why few companies can do it (e.g., The indies complained about the $10K update fee).

On PSN, the game updates are "free" to the devs. They can do as many updates as they want.
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That's not what I've heard. Have you a suitably explanatory linky?
 
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-06-13-dean-hall-in-talks-to-bring-dayz-standalone-to-ps4

When I asked Hall whether console manufacturers Sony and Microsoft had approached him about putting DayZ on an upcoming console he replied, "Yeah, we talked to both of them. But, as I'm sure you're aware, Sony lets you self-publish and they don't make you pay for updates. Microsoft requires you to have a publisher. They have no digital distribution strategy and they require you to pay $10,000, or whatever it is, for updates."
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Okay. Sony may have changed their position. ERP has said recently that the first couple of updates for both companies are free, and you only pay after that, which helps discourage releasing poor software that needs loads of patches. Given Hall's vagueness in response, I'm not sure if he's speaking out of experience with MS, or hearsay.
 
He's not the first indies who complained about it. And "few couple of updates" is vague too. How many exactly for each company ?
I remember one of the core game developers also b*tched about XBL's update policies.

For nextgen, I think one of the Sony execs talked about the reasons for the PS+ fees during the last few days. I haven't read it though.
 
Guys, you do know that automatic download and install isn't the same as automatic updates... I don't know if my interpretation is correct or not, but for me, all updates (game and system) are outside the paywall. Automatic download and install is probably where you can buy games from your phone and the PS4 can automatically download and install it. If you're not on PS+, you probably still can buy from other platform, but you must start the download manually from the PS4 itself.

Of course only system update that's outside the paywall is also logical, but I think Sony also needs to push game updates because I think it's a necessity instead of a convenience feature like automatic game download.

Edit: I just realized that automatic download and install could be read as automatic patch/update download and install. I still think that my interpretation is the correct one :)
 
Rurouni said:
Guys, you do know that automatic download and install isn't the same as automatic updates... I don't know if my interpretation is correct or not, but for me, all updates (game and system) are outside the paywall. Automatic download and install is probably where you can buy games from your phone and the PS4 can automatically download and install it. If you're not on PS+, you probably still can buy from other platform, but you must start the download manually from the PS4 itself.

Of course only system update that's outside the paywall is also logical, but I think Sony also needs to push game updates because I think it's a necessity instead of a convenience feature like automatic game download.

Edit: I just realized that automatic download and install could be read as automatic patch/update download and install. I still think that my interpretation is the correct one :)
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Sounds reasonable to me because paying for games' updates is outrageous. Are we to take the blame for developers mistakes or little additions to a game?

Besides that, sure they could charge for that if they had very large patches like in this generation.

But I expect Sony to dramatically decrease the size of their games' updates now that the machine has a great CPU-GPU and more memory than everyone else, and most importantly, better development tools, patches now can be a lot better. (the largest patch -true game update and not some kind of DLC- I ever download on the X360 was 20MB, being 3MB the average, size-wise)
 
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I have a question for those who are more into the development process of consumer electronics. Should the final version of the (ps4) firmware be ready at the time of mass production start? Or there is some magic way of updating millions of consoles being produced for launch?
 
scf said:
I have a question for those who are more into the development process of consumer electronics. Should the final version of the (ps4) firmware be ready at the time of mass production start? Or there is some magic way of updating millions of consoles being produced for launch?
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I'm pretty sure I had a day1 update when I eventually bought my ps3 slim. I'm sure the same will hold if you buy a ps4 that has been sitting on a shelf for a little while
 
One of the most surprising thing is the universal praise for the ps4 controller from e3. Many in the press say that it's better than the xbone controller.
 
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