News & Rumours: Playstation 4/ Orbis *spin*

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Someone out there is flogging with my lost Vita + pouch + 32GB card alright.


Vita could be a highlight if they say all PS4 games playable through gaikai on Vita first.

That would work for me, or a VR headset ? What's the res for the Rift ?
 
It's a very unpopular system with the stink of the loser.

Reverse halo effect.

It's also technologically obsolete. There will be phones with more capable SOCs out soon, if the current ones aren't already by brute strength alone.
 
It's a very unpopular system with the stink of the loser.

Reverse halo effect.

It's also technologically obsolete. There will be phones with more capable SOCs out soon, if the current ones aren't already by brute strength alone.

Teh sticks would make a difference for core gaming, specially the existing titles Gaikai can get their hands on.

My family has been playing Clash of Clans on iOS. These games, while fun, are designed differently.
 
All I'm saying is, there's a greater population of people who'd consider the PS4 who do NOT have a Vita compared to those who do own one.

In fact, among potential PS4 buyers, smart phones are far more common. Tap into that, not some narrow-minded attempt to flog other Sony products like the Vita or Experia. That has certainly alienated people in the past, when they pushed proprietary storage cards and such.

And they have to come up with something more imaginative than remote play using similar controls. Sure the Vita controls are better for Remote Play. But again, more people own touchscreen devices. The market has decided a device with gaming-friendly controls are not worth buying. So you adapt and find ways to give smart phone owners some synergy between their devices and the product you're trying to sell them. MS is doing the Smart Glass thing with devices from other makers, because they recognize how much people like their smart phones and finding another use for their phone makes them more likely to buy your product.

Hell, people are buying these overpriced programmable Philips LED lights, because you can configure them to cycle different colors and turn on at different times with an iPhone app.

Now, if you can check your PSN status on your iPhone, even message PSN friends without turning on your console, do you think that might have some appeal?
 
It's called after-sales/customer support, so that these people will continue to buy future Sony products. May have nothing to do with flogging. ^_^

It's better than Sony releasing Rolly-Polly~

But Gaikai on iOS will be welcomed as well.
 
Honestly, there were a lot of PSPs in the installed base when the PS3 launched and the Remote Play features really weren't a significant part in console sales.

I'm not so worried about the technology -- they'll put in what they are willing to bear and if it's not good enough, you go elsewhere for entertainment.

But it's the business strategy and policies which could hurt sales. Like trying to cut out used games sales, so that you buy $60 games and you have no chance to recoup some of that money because used games can't be played.

Or you have to buy storage cards (we should be well past that but you never know) or high-margin peripherals.

All the competition and energy is in smart phones and tablets these days so neither Sony nor MS could come out like this was the last generation or the one before then. Consoles are not the center of the universe any more. They're spinning away from the center. This is their chance to stop and claw their way back a bit.
 
They may have to invest in mobile core gaming to cover their base, and sell existing titles. Busy people may not have the time to play on home console. Even if I buy a PS4, I may not turn it on often... like my home PS3.

There is a good chance that they will lose me forever as a gaming customer if there is no Gaikai for iOS or Vita (or both ! 8^P).

For now, since they have launched Vita, Sony will support it to the end.
 
Honestly, there were a lot of PSPs in the installed base when the PS3 launched and the Remote Play features really weren't a significant part in console sales.

I'm not so worried about the technology -- they'll put in what they are willing to bear and if it's not good enough, you go elsewhere for entertainment.

But it's the business strategy and policies which could hurt sales. Like trying to cut out used games sales, so that you buy $60 games and you have no chance to recoup some of that money because used games can't be played.

Or you have to buy storage cards (we should be well past that but you never know) or high-margin peripherals.

All the competition and energy is in smart phones and tablets these days so neither Sony nor MS could come out like this was the last generation or the one before then. Consoles are not the center of the universe any more. They're spinning away from the center. This is their chance to stop and claw their way back a bit.

thats because PSP remote play barely even works and sony hasnt done much with it. Vita can handle 720p video flawlessly and now 1080p after new FW update, and it should works as well as gaikai on PC or any other platform.I don't see myself carry my tablet around with a controller with me all the time where vita can probably works well enough some some buttons remap to the front and back touch. Not to mention the new rumor of the PS4 controller having front and back touch panel that mimic the vita so it may seems like Sony already have some sort of plan in mind. I can see gaikai on those mobile platform sometime down the road, but Vita first before everything makes more sense because Sony does have a Vita to save, then their xperia line up which is actually doing quite well recently and already planning to ship over 50 millions for this next their fiscal year.
 
They may have to invest in mobile core gaming to cover their base, and sell existing titles. Busy people may not have the time to play on home console. Even if I buy a PS4, I may not turn it on often... like my home PS3.

There is a good chance that they will lose me forever as a gaming customer if there is no Gaikai for iOS or Vita (or both ! 8^P).

For now, since they have launched Vita, Sony will support it to the end.

Ya, imagine new PSN ++ service for PS4+ vita owners, buy ps4 game, leave the game in your ps4 or get digitally, and play on Vita wherever you are as long as PS4 is connected online it will verify your psn digital libraries and game in your system. Also selling gaikai copies of games basically give dev basically 0 dev cost for cross platforms version, of course the catch is the system has to be always online.
 
Problem is that Vita is likely going to lose a lot of third-party support, based on dismal sales.

So how many publishers are going to bother making companion PS4/Vita versions?

What's more, how many gamers are buying both? Only a small number of people would buy a game twice. Especially for a moribund handheld that you would have to lug around in addition to a phone and buy a second version of a game for, just so you can play it on a small screen during the day.

It would have to be some terrific game to make you so dedicated, to spend so much time and money.

I don't know, you can buy games for iPhones and iPads and as long as they're using the same account, you pay once and get copied on as many devices tied to that account. But I don't think they're syncing game progress between devices necessarily.

That's a more consumer-friendly model than making you buy a $60 game then a $50 game for a dedicated handheld gaming device, which has failed to gain traction.
 
EU economy is bad.

May need some time to recover a bit. Hell they say unemployment among youth in Spain is like 50%?

Console makers probably have lower expectations from European launches.
 
I hope that part of the 20th February announcement is truly global PS Store/PSN, European customers are not satisfied with SCEE actions or lack of thereof. You can see that in comments under trailer.
 
EU economy is bad.

May need some time to recover a bit. Hell they say unemployment among youth in Spain is like 50%?

Console makers probably have lower expectations from European launches.

Global economy is bad.

Europe is Sony's strongest market. They should not treat us like this.
 
Problem is that Vita is likely going to lose a lot of third-party support, based on dismal sales.

So how many publishers are going to bother making companion PS4/Vita versions?

What's more, how many gamers are buying both? Only a small number of people would buy a game twice. Especially for a moribund handheld that you would have to lug around in addition to a phone and buy a second version of a game for, just so you can play it on a small screen during the day.

It would have to be some terrific game to make you so dedicated, to spend so much time and money.

I don't know, you can buy games for iPhones and iPads and as long as they're using the same account, you pay once and get copied on as many devices tied to that account. But I don't think they're syncing game progress between devices necessarily.

That's a more consumer-friendly model than making you buy a $60 game then a $50 game for a dedicated handheld gaming device, which has failed to gain traction.

didn't I say through Gaikai, if they can get it to run on gaikai, I don't think it cost much. Isn't it basically like making a PC version which PS4 is pretty much already setup to be like that. They make it work on gaikai that works on almost anything that Sony want it to, no additional cost. Just that they can start off with doing this on Vita first, than other device/platform later. I won't be surprise if all PS4 games are also available on gaikai in day 1, at least Sony first party.
 
Global economy is bad.

Europe is Sony's strongest market. They should not treat us like this.

Hardly their fault. USA is one country and one strategy. Same for Japan. Europe is tens of different countries, requiring different marketing strategies, most times different electrical plugs, different laws to respect when launching a new product and countless other issues. It's always been like this, and not just for videogames.
 
Problem is that Vita is likely going to lose a lot of third-party support, based on dismal sales.

So how many publishers are going to bother making companion PS4/Vita versions?

What's more, how many gamers are buying both? Only a small number of people would buy a game twice. Especially for a moribund handheld that you would have to lug around in addition to a phone and buy a second version of a game for, just so you can play it on a small screen during the day.

It would have to be some terrific game to make you so dedicated, to spend so much time and money.

I don't know, you can buy games for iPhones and iPads and as long as they're using the same account, you pay once and get copied on as many devices tied to that account. But I don't think they're syncing game progress between devices necessarily.

That's a more consumer-friendly model than making you buy a $60 game then a $50 game for a dedicated handheld gaming device, which has failed to gain traction.

You don't need to buy a game twice to use Remote Play.

What you are talking about is 'Cross Play' where both systems need a unique game.

Look up how well SOTC/ICO and GoW Collection work on Remote Play with Vita. You might be surprised. I've used it myself, and it's pretty impressive seeing 720p60 with antialiasing on the Vita.
 
That Edge piece has some odd claims in it. Sony assuring devs they'll match MS on RAM? Constant recording of the last 15 minutes of video available for sharing at any time?
 
All the competition and energy is in smart phones and tablets these days so neither Sony nor MS could come out like this was the last generation or the one before then.

If that is true, well shouldn't it be the reality now, today? There is plenty of phones right now, yet people still buy consoles, and console games as we speak.

If anything games are everywhere now, since "everybody" plays them on anything from iOS to Facebook i think it's wrong to expect consoles to be a dead race now, in a sense there is more people playing now than ever, and those that want to get the best gaming experience will still choose a Console and couch instead of a small screen and fatty finger control.

What i think we will see is consoles that can do more of everything not gaming related and with a heavy relation to any social network out there. Share everything to anyone, and give the console makers some free pr as well. And still be the best gaming platform.
 
No there's a market for consoles but it won't be growing or expected to grow at the same rates when previous generations of consoles launched.

Console and game publishers have to adjust to this reality.


ETA: From the WSJ article reporting that Sony will announce the PS4:

Sony's updated console's arrival comes as the console videogame industry has entered a tailspin. Sales of new videogames, consoles and accessories at U.S. retail shops fell 22% in December when compared with the same time a year prior, according to surveys by industry watcher NPD Group.

In another sign of the difficult environment for traditional videogame machines, Nintendo Co. 7974.OK -0.56% slashed sales forecasts for its new home console, the Wii U, earlier this week. After launching its first new home console in six years in November, Nintendo said Wii U sales disappointed during the holiday shopping season. The company is now forecasting plans to sell 4 million units versus an earlier estimate for 5.5 million units.

The videogame industry is undergoing a sea change. While videogames used to be limited to dedicated game machines and personal computers, the proliferation of smartphones and other Internet connected devices is opening the floodgates to free or inexpensive games.

Such shifts in consumer behavior and the aging consoles—the Xbox 360 debuted in 2005 and the PS3 a year later—are weighing on game sales, which have contracted every month since December of 2011. Further, Electronic Arts Inc. EA +2.92% said the console industry's packaged goods sales fell by about a fifth last year.
 
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