Microsoft Windows 10 hardware event Oct 6th 10 am EST
So education discount is out .
The pro 4 M3 is $810. 256/8 i5 is 1,170 . 256/16 i5 1350 , 256/8 i7 1440 . Those aren't bad discounts. You basicly get a free type keyboard on the surface pro 4 which is also reduced to 117 instead of 130
The book i5 128/8 is 1350 , 256/8 i5 1530 - The gpu models 256/8 i5 1710 256/8 i7 1890 512/16 i7 2430
I rounded up for all the prices but its not bad at all .
The i5 256/8 is a really good price. The i7 would have to offer enough of a performance increase in games for me to spend the extra but even that new price is pretty good. Also based on the benchmarks I found and posted above the m3 might be as fast as the i5 in the surface pro 3 . So even the fanless m3 option at $810 is a pretty good deal.
The pro 4 M3 is $810. 256/8 i5 is 1,170 . 256/16 i5 1350 , 256/8 i7 1440 . Those aren't bad discounts. You basicly get a free type keyboard on the surface pro 4 which is also reduced to 117 instead of 130
The book i5 128/8 is 1350 , 256/8 i5 1530 - The gpu models 256/8 i5 1710 256/8 i7 1890 512/16 i7 2430
I rounded up for all the prices but its not bad at all .
The i5 256/8 is a really good price. The i7 would have to offer enough of a performance increase in games for me to spend the extra but even that new price is pretty good. Also based on the benchmarks I found and posted above the m3 might be as fast as the i5 in the surface pro 3 . So even the fanless m3 option at $810 is a pretty good deal.
I read that earlier. His hands on was with the just above low tier version---i5/128 GB/4 GB RAM, so I expect better results with the higher RAM models.
That is a pretty significant jump if the SP4 i5 is keeping up with the SP3 i7.
Also, I wonder if that 30% increase over SP3 is an average. If so, we may see bigger jumps with the i7 models with the double EU and EDRAM. Apparently, the m3 also holds its on fairly well compared to the SP3 i3.
Yea its hard to tell , we have the i5 numbers cause that's whats at the stores. i5 4gig 256 .
If the m3 is as fast as the i5 in the pro 3 it could be really sweet . They are huge jumps from the surface pro 1/2 . I think the lack of a fan in the m3 will be the down fall for anything remotely serious aside from notes and word/power point stuff.
Speaking of cooling
http://www.windowscentral.com/heres...ll-keep-cool-its-hybrid-liquid-cooling-system
this is where that pic I posted came from lol
"The SP3 had all the heat concentrated in one spot (that hot spot in the corner). The SP4 actually boils/evaporates liquid inside a metal tube that touches the processor, and that vapor travels to two places inside the SP4 to condense back into a liquid: one to the fan, and the other under where the kickstand normally rests. The one under the kickstand allows the fan to rarely run, unless under extremely demanding tasks. So for web browsing, and normal day-to-day activities, you'll no longer have the fan run as you did in the Surface Pro 3. And when the surface is under pressure with the fan running, the heat will be more evenly distributed - not all concentrated in a big hot spot - making the SP4 feel a bit cooler."
Now it seems it may be hard to aim a fan at the back since the kickstand will be in the way. Going to have to rethink that lol
My cousin who is an artist and I were talking about the new surfaces. He loves my first one but got upset with the ntrig in the 3. He made a good point , he told me he spent almost $1500 on his newest Wacom pad and he still needed a computer. When the tried the surface pro 4 the pen was much improved and he now considers it an alternative to a Wacom tablet. He then said what I say , Wacom didn't want to loose out on such expensive devices so they took the tech away from ms. But he went further and said Wacom just destroyed their business because MS was forced to get Ntrig and make it into a real option and MS has loads of money and now has this tech in two of their devices and are rumored to be putting it in a phone and a smaller tablet.
Here is a interview with Dave Mitchell, the senior director of program management for the Microsoft Devices Group.
http://www.engadget.com/2015/10/08/surface-pro-4-design-interview/
He gives some insight into some of the changes from SP3 to SP4. Most of this stuff is already known, but I thought it was interesting.
http://www.engadget.com/2015/10/08/surface-pro-4-design-interview/
He gives some insight into some of the changes from SP3 to SP4. Most of this stuff is already known, but I thought it was interesting.
well I've heard a lot of sites have gotten their tablets , so we might start seeing reviews or at least leaks next week. I really need to see the difference between the i7 and i5 in the surface pro.
Also I heard talk that the i7 in the book doesn't have an iris pro with edram
Also I heard talk that the i7 in the book doesn't have an iris pro with edram
Linus from Linus Techtips said he has one that MS sent. He said he would more about it later. He is not high on Surface to begin with so I'm interested in his opinion. His and his co-host main complaints are related to the kickstand, so hopefully they don't let that influence him to much since it looks like that has changed. I didn't catch the model that he received.
He did order a Surface Book
Linus from Linus Techtips said he has one that MS sent. He said he would more about it later. He is not high on Surface to begin with so I'm interested in his opinion. His and his co-host main complaints are related to the kickstand, so hopefully they don't let that influence him to much since it looks like that has changed. I didn't catch the model that he received.
He did order a Surface Book
The kickstand hasn't changed its the same as the pro 3 ( the regular 3 has the pro 2 and rt stand) The keyboard got a bit better and flexes less.
The surface book is if you want a laptop and sometimes a tablet. The surface pro is if you want a tablet that can sometimes be a laptop. I can use it in my lap pretty well but i'm a 6'4 dude so I got plenty of lap ... although my gut does take up some of it lol , time to hit the gym more.
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Considering it is supposedly a custom design for the Surface Book, I'm surprised they went with Maxwell and not Maxwell 2. Either that or Nvidia PR doesn't feel the need to distinguish between the two.
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SB
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It's not a Maxwell 2 because it's just a GM107 with a custom PCB.
Ooops....I meant to type has not changed. I should proofread before I hit that post button. MobileTechReview also has both the SP4 and Surface Book and will have a review up soon. Hopefully one of this reviewers will have all 3 cpu models for the SP4 to compare.
Pretty much what I'm waiting for before pulling the trigger. It's between the SP4 i5 and i7 for me and whether or not there is any throttling that impacts performance.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/Surface/comments/3p2yrj/my_ms_store_has_a_dgpu_surface_book_what_tests/
It's a GM108 (Geforce 940M with 3 SMM, 24 TMU, 8 ROP) with a single-channel 1GB GDDR5 (so that's why there's only 1GB) for 40GB/s.
The PCI-Express 4x all but confirms my suspicions that the keyboard connects to the tablet through Thunderbolt v3:
So there's a good chance the Surface Book with the dGPU will go head-to-head with the Surface Pro 4 with the Core i7 and Iris 540. Theoretical performance is almost matched.
Makes me wonder why they ever felt the need to get a nVidia GPU in there, when a 35W Intel CPU with the GT4 would probably be much faster. Was it all just for CUDA stuff? A 35W model wouldn't fit the tablet?
Meh..
It's a GM108 (Geforce 940M with 3 SMM, 24 TMU, 8 ROP) with a single-channel 1GB GDDR5 (so that's why there's only 1GB) for 40GB/s.
The PCI-Express 4x all but confirms my suspicions that the keyboard connects to the tablet through Thunderbolt v3:
So there's a good chance the Surface Book with the dGPU will go head-to-head with the Surface Pro 4 with the Core i7 and Iris 540. Theoretical performance is almost matched.
Makes me wonder why they ever felt the need to get a nVidia GPU in there, when a 35W Intel CPU with the GT4 would probably be much faster. Was it all just for CUDA stuff? A 35W model wouldn't fit the tablet?
Meh..
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It seems obvious that if you want a 35W CPU, then you need to get a thick laptop.
Seen a 14" thick laptop with an ivy bridge i3, much faster than an ultrabook ivy bridge i5. Rather nice and tidy, it is impossibly fast at mundane things, with a turbo clock at 3.1GHz. It seemed to stay silent. But the vendor installed a noticeably low quality LCD (Dell Latitude) and there are borders around it. So it's a very fast PC that looks old.
Seen a 14" thick laptop with an ivy bridge i3, much faster than an ultrabook ivy bridge i5. Rather nice and tidy, it is impossibly fast at mundane things, with a turbo clock at 3.1GHz. It seemed to stay silent. But the vendor installed a noticeably low quality LCD (Dell Latitude) and there are borders around it. So it's a very fast PC that looks old.
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You need more volume to dissipate the heat and/or faster spinning fans, but that doesn't forcibly translate to "thicker".
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