Michael Jackson in seclusion

[Tahir2]

Whether he is found guilty or not the man needs helps.
Look at the way he portrays his children to the media. He says he is protecting them from the media by not showing their faces but these I think he is doing more harm than good.
Also has everyone forgotten the indident where he dangled his child from the balcony of a first story building recently?
That way crazy.. again where were the damn alarm bells. MJ is one sick man...someone get him a doctor (at the very least).

 

[Sabastian]

It's possible for people to have a sxual relationship with a younger person and not be in predator mentality- seeing it as normal sex. That is something that people can later realize the damage they can do and repent. Not saying it's okay to do so, but that it's a very different situation.

<makes sure flak jacket is on properly>

*cough*choke*gag* What the fuck are you saying here sage?

 

[Legion]

My so called what? And when it doesn't suit me like now and before? I see no discreprancy
Why don't you chill out, I'm just a guy not some sort of guru wannabe.

Oh please Tahir. You judged all the Jews of israel as guilty of ethnic cleansing. A clear discrepancy. Unless of course you are God and know all there is to know about all alledged evidence that exists to prove your cause.

And what's Jesus and Christian forums got to do with it now?

that was my suggestion sabastian and Kiler were overreacting to my Israel analogy.

Some people here defended me only because this attack on me has nothing to do with MJ and the mess he is in right now. Not because you are seen to have blasphemed.

They do not defend you. You are a hypocrit and there is no denying it.

The problem is netiquette and the lack of which you are showing now.

Yes i tend to speak my mind over keeping the status quo.

Now if you have a problem with what I have said in the past you can make a new thread calling me into question.

No, infact it has everything to do with what you have suggested here.

You can call me a hypocrite again if you want. Do whatever you like but not here in this thread.

excuse me sir but you openly contradicted yourself in a public forum. There is nothing personal about this.

 

[Sage]

I'm saying that there are two very different mentalities of child molestors- those who see it as normal sex just with a person who is very young, and those who prey on children. The first can understand that what they have done is wrong and not repeat their crimes, but the second, while they likely feel very bad about their actions at first, cannot stop by their own accord and society must prevent them from hacing acces to children for the rest of their lives. Both should be punished as it's wrong plain and simple, but the second one should have permanent measures taken to prevent them from repeating their actions.

 

[Tahir2]

I think Sage is saying thinking 'it' is normal.. i.e. within the bounds of what others class or they themselves see as morally sound.

In other words a person might think they are not doing anything wrong when engaging in paedophila. Every instinct in my body tells me Michael Jackson knows exactly what he is doing however. Whether MJ has in fact engaged in sexual relations with a minor - I have no koowledge of nor is it my position to judge it - that's what the courts are there for (hopefully).

.. I think that's what Sage meant.

And what is this description of the 'Predator Mentality' Sage - is it documented by Psychologists?

 

[Sage]

yes Tahir you are understanding me correctly. the one who doesnt see it as being "wrong" is not a person who is exclusively, or near exclusively attracted to children. the predator is someone who has a very specific attraction to children. It's something that is almost impossible to explain, even modern criminal psych's don't have a thorough understanding of it. It's the same or very similar to sociopathic serial killers like Dahmer and Bundy. They get their jollys off in different ways but the mental mechanisms are the same.

 

[Sage]

also, I would like to explain a little more about why the actions will be repeated. It's addictive just like addictive drugs. It satisfies a need but after it's been done the person is left with only the memories of the deed, and making them feel more empty and more in need of more contact. So after the emptyness builds up enough they see an oportunity and the desire is too strong that they give in. After the act is over they have the same problem, but this time the emptyness is even worse. Eventually rather than waiting for opportunities they will go out and hunt for victims (the "hunt" can take many forms) with each victim leaving them feeling more and more empty inside. The first time they don't know what they are doing, the next few times they start to learn a bit, and eventually develop verry effective methods of taking victims. But, as they have the need for more frequent and more intense contact they will start to take risks and get reckless, which eventually gets them caught. Different people advance at a different rate, some might claim only a few victims before getting caught or some might take upwards of 20 or 30. Some die before they get caught. But once they have had their first taste they can't stop drinking.

 

[ByteMe]

Any bets on when pictures will show up on the web where MJ is getting molested by bubba in prison?

 

[Sage]

Any bets on when pictures will show up on the web where MJ is getting molested by bubba in prison?

hmm good idea, give me a few minutes j/k.... maybe

 

[pax]

Im amazed whenever I find myself on the right of people here. At least on the right in the sense of a rich guy likely being scammed out of his money by some poor kid... I have a really hard time believing a guy constantly hounded by media and with video cameras likely all over his ranch with a slew of people working there for him that he would even think of trying to be a peadophile.

Of course what makes him look bad is his paying off the last kid who accused him. I think it was to avoid a very long and publc process as the case went to trial... Thing is youd think he'd be smart enough to avoid the situation that led to that first event... A fool and his money...

 

[ByteMe]

I doubt MJ has ever been in touch with reality.

 

[Tahir2]

Im amazed whenever I find myself on the right of people here. At least on the right in the sense of a rich guy likely being scammed out of his money by some poor kid... I have a really hard time believing a guy constantly hounded by media and with video cameras likely all over his ranch with a slew of people working there for him that he would even think of trying to be a peadophile.

Of course what makes him look bad is his paying off the last kid who accused him. I think it was to avoid a very long and publc process as the case went to trial... Thing is youd think he'd be smart enough to avoid the situation that led to that first event... A fool and his money...

Do not eliminate the possibility that he may have done it either. Shocking and disturbing as that thought maybe. He may be getting scammed but if this case goes all the way there is likely to be evidence of a forensic nature. The optimistic part of me says this evidence will find him innocent. The pessimistic side says to me the boy is not lying.

Whatever the end result I think it is time MJ got help and stopped bringing kids over to his place to find 'inspiration' from.

 

[Sage]

http://newgpu.com/images/MJ.jpg

caption: MJ waves goodbye to his fans while his newest fan takes him to his new home for a great big welcoming party...

 

[Legion]

even if it turned out innocent i would suggest he receive a full psychoanalysis.

 

[bloodbob]

1. Jackson is nuts he believes that he has had no plastic surgery.
2. If he did have "relations" with kid and we disregard 1 he is nuts once again for going on air saying he shared the bed with the kid and he would never be able to dispute it effectively in court.


Back to the blame on the kids parents if you had a child who was suffering from cancer and you thought you child might not live through it and you child wish was to spend time with michael jackson I think it is not unreasonable to grant that wish. ( You might no continue to grant it after you find out he is sharing a bed with MJ).

 

[K.I.L.E.R]

1. Jackson is nuts he believes that he has had no plastic surgery.

He didn't have plastic surgery.

You see when God found out what he was doing to children God made him ugly so every child in the world would be scared of him and then he can commit no sins against children.
When MJ was interviewed he said, "I didn't have plastic surgery, I don't know why God changed me" - rough quote
Something went wrong and children aren't running scared.

 

[bloodbob]

Ahahaha

Easy to tell your Australian

 

[Humus]

Ah, that's gold.
* right-click, save as *

 

[Legion]

I really don't think the allegations against him now will stick. I think he'll be able to talk down charges against him. It is suprising to see how many of the those parents who have brought charges against him are satisfied to receive cash instead of seeing him put in jail.