launchprice of next generation. the same or higher?

hey69

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well people, what you guys think, i believe for one thing that the american launchprice will be higher then last generation (299$)
since, the dollar lost 33% of it's value in the recent years
inflation and higher cost for technology for next geration

since europe was shafted anyway with the launch of xbox and ps2 (payed 540euro on launchday)
i believe a 399euro pricepoint will be made in europe and a 399us $ in america
 
Well you have to think about inflation, i'm quite surprised the last 2 generations of consoles targetted the same price point (299?), considering they were 5 years apart.

299 quid today are worth a lot less than 299 quid of some years ago. So if the new consoles get released at a pricepoint of 299 quid, i'll be surprised. In the end they never actually get released at that price. I paid 350 quid for my PS2, even though the "release price" was 299.
 
well LB , i paid also 350 quid > 21700 Belgian francs=> 537 euro 20% tax included

i 'm pretty sure the list price was actually that and not less in europe (or maybe EUROPE minus UK ? )
 
hey69 said:
well LB , i paid also 350 quid > 21700 Belgian francs=> 537 euro 20% tax included

i 'm pretty sure the list price was actually that and not less in europe (or maybe EUROPE minus UK ? )

In the UK, it was £299. Just the blue box with nothing else. Obviously no one was selling that on its own, so with a controller and a game it came up to 350 quid. Which in november 2000 was EUR596.94.
 
I would pay 200 euros, like GC, or wait til prices go down.
Anyway I supose that (today) put a price more than 300 would take a lot of costumers away and made a bad launch and both MS and N needs a good launch to get dev suport, etc...
So I expect 300/350 max.
 
I'd rather wait an extra year if it ment I'd get more for my purchase that shall last me 5 or 6 years.... :D
 
Phil said:
I'd rather wait an extra year if it ment I'd get more for my purchase that shall last me 5 or 6 years.... :D

Your purchase will last 5 or 6 years anyway, cause Sony would make whatever they release that long ;) Making it more powerful won't make it last longer, cause Sony will release the next next system, however powerful this next one is, when they feel like it.
 
hey69 said:
well LB , i paid also 350 quid > 21700 Belgian francs=> 537 euro 20% tax included

i 'm pretty sure the list price was actually that and not less in europe (or maybe EUROPE minus UK ? )

I paid the same price, but I bought a whole bunch of controllers, a multitap, and 6 games with it. I should've bought a Dreamcast back then, not a year later...
 
I personally think that it will be higher....like $399 because of the Quality that the Companies will stress on...Features and Online services. I also think that Price drops will be stretched more than this Gen. They'll be far in between so waiting for them will seem like a lifetime.I guess we will have to wait and see on this one.
 
london-boy said:
Phil said:
I'd rather wait an extra year if it ment I'd get more for my purchase that shall last me 5 or 6 years.... :D

Your purchase will last 5 or 6 years anyway, cause Sony would make whatever they release that long ;) Making it more powerful won't make it last longer, cause Sony will release the next next system, however powerful this next one is, when they feel like it.

Dead on London-Boy. Look at the PS2. Most of the games do not look great (acceptable, but not great) yet the console and the games still sell well.

I think this may have something to do with a little thing called "games" but don't quote me on that ;)
 
london-boy said:
Well you have to think about inflation, i'm quite surprised the last 2 generations of consoles targetted the same price point (299?), considering they were 5 years apart.

299 quid today are worth a lot less than 299 quid of some years ago. So if the new consoles get released at a pricepoint of 299 quid, i'll be surprised. In the end they never actually get released at that price. I paid 350 quid for my PS2, even though the "release price" was 299.

Price of technology drops far faster than inflation. Look at what a computer would cost 5 years ago, then look at the better specs you get now for less money.
 
I would say $349 at launch for the first console launched, XBox2 or PS3. Then a price drop to $299 when the competition releases if their price is competitive.

Although I feel companies will go with the lowest price they can afford to get good install base.

Speng.
 
london-boy said:
Phil said:
I'd rather wait an extra year if it ment I'd get more for my purchase that shall last me 5 or 6 years.... :D

Your purchase will last 5 or 6 years anyway, cause Sony would make whatever they release that long ;) Making it more powerful won't make it last longer, cause Sony will release the next next system, however powerful this next one is, when they feel like it.

You misunderstood me. The keyword wasn't the products lifespan, but more on the products performance/cost ratio. In other words, I'd rather wait til late 2006 or even 2007 if it ment the specs could be significantly higher thanks to a more advanced process (45nm?) that would be ready by then, opposed to a rushed launch due to competition reasons on a 90nm targeting quick 65nm transition. That also means that I am very satisfied with current generation for a little while longer, given that the games I am looking forward to are not going to be ready til late 2005 or even 2006 anyway (ranging from PAL GT4 to PAL Final Fantasy XII to PAL Tekken 5 etc). With still many games to look forward to, there's really no hurry and the current consoles still have room for improvement (i.e. while graphics are more or less as good as it will get on most consoles already, we're bound to see improvements in gameplay, art and fun factor since that's one thing that still can be improved - a great example would be Jak 2 <-> Jak 3).

I really hope Microsoft's attempt in an early next-gen transition doesn't influence Sony (or Nintendo) too much in cutting their own console's lifespan more than necessary.
 
if your MS you relase another console at a cut throat price and rely upon the rest of the company to support you.

if you are Sony you release at a price that will get you more market share knowing that your software and future console sales will make a profit

if you are nintendo, you release your console to make a profit right from the start.
 
Phil said:
I really hope Microsoft's attempt in an early next-gen transition doesn't influence Sony (or Nintendo) too much in cutting their own console's lifespan more than necessary.

Sony's hype machine and online fan-person followers could always make Microsoft look like SEGA if XBox Next is released prior to PS3.

I think, however that there is much more at stake with the next console launches, Sony keeps claiming how they shipped 80 million PS2s world wide in about 5 years of the console's life cycle and the PS2 is not even a $99.99 console yet, I would wager that MS needs to make sure that XBox Next's mass prodution fabs are working full tilt to make sure the console is also available in comparable quantities. Of course people want games too but for now we can only say time will tell what the final specs will be.

I just hope they stick a custom R6X0 based GPU instead of the R500 custom as well as 1024MB+ of GDDR5 or whatever to stay competitive with PS3.

version wrote:
i pay 500-600$ , if sony give me 1 giga ram and 1 teraflops

I agree with this price point and your wish, as long as its also backward compatible with PSX and PS2 and that it would probably offer something like what the PSX emulator Bleem for Dreamcast offered IMO as 640x480 res with full Trilinear+antialiasing+anisotropic texture filtering for both PSX and PS2 games (realizes that this is probably impossible) if it had that I think PS3 would be hotter than Tickle me Elmo and Pokemon cards for their time.

hey69 wrote:
well people, what you guys think, i believe for one thing that the american launchprice will be higher then last generation (299$)
since, the dollar lost 33% of it's value in the recent years
inflation and higher cost for technology for next geration

since europe was shafted anyway with the launch of xbox and ps2 (payed 540euro on launchday)
i believe a 399euro pricepoint will be made in europe and a 399us $ in america

I notice that you are mostly refering to the European launch and the USA launch, however keep in mind that in 1994 Japan, PSX was selling at around $450+ price point and Saturn was at either $450 to $499 price point, basically the expected US price point for 1995 was "supposed" to be $399.99 US on launch day for at least both consoles, that is until SEGA screwed up and in a desperate move launched 4 to 5 months prior to the announced launch and totally made themselves look like the bad guys.

Now as a difference, the DC in Japan had something of a $349 or less price point and the Japanese PS2 launch I forget the price but it did not matter cause most of those consoles went on Ebay to a much higher price point than the US launch.

Basically I see this, PS3 will have a bleeding edge specs list and it will probably have to have either a built in harddrive, a network card or both and become XBoxy but with possible Tivo or movie/music recorder capabilites or some kind of media center that has to be included with the default console.

Then take into account the large PS2 and even PSX established fanbase and just like Halo 2 was sold out mostly because of hardcore gamers, then we can argue that PS3 will sell out even if it is launched in the US at $399.99 and probably $499.99

As for XBox 2, I think its too early to tell because launch will depend on what games are made for launch time's 6 month window, I think I feel that MS wants to make XB2 an online multimedia center console with bleeding edge tech so I feel that a $499 price point seems adequate as long as the console offers some really unheard of power to ease those Halo fan's minds.
 
I could understand the argument for a higher price but then remember how Sony surprised everyone with the PSP price. If you think they wanted market share in the handheld market...

Did the DC affect Sony's decision to launch the PS2 at $299? Maybe something similar could happen if Xenon sells well or if Sony perceives a threat.
 
Johnny Awesome said:
I'm thinking no lower than $249 and no higher than $349 for Xenon launch in the US. Probably $299. :)

I totally agree on all points.

What will be interesting though is Microsoft plans for Xbox Live. Maybe they give price incentives for subscribing for 12 months or more? I also suspect they may decide to include 2-month free trials with every Xbox 2. Xbox Live should pushed harder next time around. Wouldn't be surprised to see Live Arcade integrated with the Live dashboard.

Tommy McClain
 
If prices are higher next gen, I'll just wait longer to buy a new system. Inflation doesn't mean much when $300 is still $300, and it's just a video game system. I don't know if the perceived value of gaming has risen with inflation. :LOL: PEACE.
 
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