Kill Bill 2

[PC-Engine]

If all the hype that the film generated was because of how it made fun of old school films then that's the most stupid reason I've ever heard. So people raved about the movie because it was a spoof? I've seen better spoofs on MTV.

You know what i meant, PCEngine, and as usual you try to turn things around to make your arguments seem more valid, now that i've destroyed them. As usual.

LMAO, congrats on your imaginary victory based on YOUR valid arguments. Maybe you should reread my post. I've added something just for you

 

[London Geezer]

LMAO, can YOU hear yourself? KB is QT's action movie debut! He's not an action movie director dude. This was HIS try at it. He wouldn't be able to top MR. Terminator 2 and Matrix Reloaded are two films QT wouldn't be able to pull off, because action iss NOT his foray

Look if "good movie" for you means "Matrix Revolutions" or "Terminator 3", then be like that, i'm out of here.
It was always obvious KillBill was not going to compete with the Matrix or any other big budget action movies. and comparing the Matrix to KillBill is S T U P I D. That is my "valid" argument. What is yours? that Killbill "action" sequences can't hold a candle with even the first Matrix? DUH...

I'm out of here, this is useless.

And let me say, thank god there are people like QT willing to try new and exciting things, despite people like you who are not happy without a rocket launcher and a nuke here and there.

See ya.

 

[PC-Engine]

LMAO, can YOU hear yourself? KB is QT's action movie debut! He's not an action movie director dude. This was HIS try at it. He wouldn't be able to top MR. Terminator 2 and Matrix Reloaded are two films QT wouldn't be able to pull off, because action iss NOT his foray

Look if "good movie" for you means "Matrix Revolutions" or "Terminator 3", then be like that, i'm out of here.
It was always obvious KillBill was not going to compete with the Matrix or any other big budget action movies. and comparing the Matrix to KillBill is S T U P I D. That is my "valid" argument. What is yours? that Killbill "action" sequences can't hold a candle with even the first Matrix? DUH...

I'm out of here, this is useless.

And let me say, thank god there are people like QT willing to try new and exciting things, despite people like you who are not happy without a rocket launcher and a nuke here and there.

See ya.

Dude seems like you're the one trying to twist things around. I didn't say KB wasn't a "good movie", it's just not great. It was good considering the budget and intent which I've already stated, but QT is not a big action director. QT said that he wanted to test his limits and this movie just shows his as an action movie director. KB didn't offer anything that made say WOW.

Oh btw it's T2 not T3, T3 was pretty bad.

 

[London Geezer]

Dude seems like you're the one trying to twist things around. I didn't say KB wasn't a "good movie", it's just not great. It was good considering the budget and intent which I've already stated, but QT is not a big action director. QT said that he wanted to test his limits and this movie just shows his as an action movie director. KB didn't offer anything that made say WOW.

Oh btw it's T2 not T3, T3 was pretty bad.

I get your point, matey, that's the sad part. You don't seem to get mine though. Oh well.

To be honest, i don't think anything made me go WOW in KillBill, but that's not the point, it is still an amazing achievement in character portray and originality. That's why it is one of my favorite movies ever. The action is clearly a "bonus". And in no way it is there to make people go WOW like in other "proper" action movies. Come on, the fountains of bloods... Do you think even QT was taking himself seriously there??? Bit narrowminded...
It is not like in that Matrix movies where u're just waiting for the next action sequence (or probably just fast-forwarding)because the film is so damn boring.

 

[PC-Engine]

See the thing is, the action IS an integral part of KB, because the whole theme of the movie was REVENGE. Yes the story was pretty descent but the action that led to the end result didn't live up to the hype IMO. I've seen better action in Jet Li movies. Matrix Reload received a lot of hype and deservedly so. KB...maybe not. If a movie doesn't make me say wow then it's only good not great.

 

[London Geezer]

See the thing is, the action IS an integral part of KB, because the whole theme of the movie was REVENGE. Yes the story was pretty descent but the action that led to the end result didn't live up to the hype IMO. I've seen better action in Jet Li movies. Matrix Reload received a lot of hype and deservedly so. KB...maybe not. If a movie doesn't make me say wow then it's only good not great.

You're still not getting it.
Oh well.

 

[PC-Engine]

See the thing is, the action IS an integral part of KB, because the whole theme of the movie was REVENGE. Yes the story was pretty descent but the action that led to the end result didn't live up to the hype IMO. I've seen better action in Jet Li movies. Matrix Reload received a lot of hype and deservedly so. KB...maybe not. If a movie doesn't make me say wow then it's only good not great.

You're still not getting it.
Oh well.

Well what is it that I'm not getting? Don't bring up that bad comparison argument again because even Jet Li's movies have better action sequences. Heh even Bruce Lee's old movies have awesome action for their time. If you're going to base your whole argument on someone not getting your point then so be it, but it's obvious your points didn't have much to stand on. Repeatedly saying "you don't get the point" just shows you're not very good at making one

BTW if the fight sequences were not intended to wow the audience then what was its purpose then? filler? Do kid yourself, they were serious fights just didn't have the oommph

 

[London Geezer]

You're just not getting it.
Oh well.

 

[London Geezer]

I made my point in the first page, if u don't get it, what can i do about it.

 

[PC-Engine]

...and your point was thoroughly disected with examples yet you don't have any examples or answers to reinforce yours....

I proposed a simple question ---> What is the purpose of the action in the fight scenes if not to get oohs and ahhs??? And no don't say it's because it's there to tell the story because everything in the movie is there to move the story along.

 

[Joe DeFuria]

I have to say I'm a bit dissappointed in Vol 2.

I thought Vol 1 was quite brilliant....I had no gripes with the editing (and actually have prise) for the editing, and the soundtrack as well was superb.

I just didn't get that same "feel" with Vol 2...it certainly had its moments, but it almost seemed as if it had a different director. Paced entirely differently, etc. Oh well.

 

[London Geezer]

...and your point was thoroughly disected with examples yet you don't have any examples or answers to reinforce yours....

I proposed a simple question ---> What is the purpose of the action in the fight scenes if not to get oohs and ahhs??? And no don't say it's because it's there to tell the story because everything in the movie is there to move the story along.

You just don't get it.

 

[PC-Engine]

And you got it perfectly

I think when a person goes to the theater to watch the same movie a zillion times, they'll probably fight to the death to defend it.

Heh after all the hype I went to purchase Vol 1 at full price and I rarely pay full price for movie DVDs. After I watched the movie, I just felt I should've waited until the price came down because it just didn't live up to the hype.

Oh I just read that the production budget was 55 million!!! Pretty sad. Miramax is probably very happy though.

Kill Bill had a few interesting stylistic twists in certain parts, but generally they didn't work well together at all and the overall movie came off as a retarded film student who had $55 million to spend on a pet project.

Gee, I agree with Zurich on this one.

 

[London Geezer]

Well we obviously have different opinions on this one. Mine is RIGHT. You don't get it. (U know i'm just teasing)

 

[Fred]

Just saw it, it rocked. You have to appreciate the references to old movies, that only a film nerd would appreciate.

Its a tad slow at some points, and a little less good than the original (which is tough to beat.. b/c Samurai flics > Western flics) but it definitely trumps the last two matrix's in terms of quality.

I was actually a little sad and miffed at the end (maybe b/c Uma looks identical to my first girlfriend).. But nevertheless, two thumbs up.

I don't know who stole the show, Uma or Carradine.

 

[Tagrineth]

I also thought that blood squirting sh*t was REALLY dumb even though it's obvious why it was included in QT's project.

Why do you think it was included?

 

[jvd]

Here is advice.

Don't listen to the hype .


Movies are much better with out the hype .


Kill bill volume 1 was a gore fest for a 14 year old .

Kill bill volume 2 had soul. Its much more like his other movies .

ANd to the person comparing jet lee movies . Please grow up. Those are so crappy its not even funny .

Imho kill bill saga was better than the matrix trilogy . But i guess thats not really saying much

 

[PC-Engine]

I also thought that blood squirting sh*t was REALLY dumb even though it's obvious why it was included in QT's project.

Why do you think it was included?

It was included as homage to those dumb animes that are loved by pimple-faced teenage boys. It just looked stupid in the film and made the fight scenes look really cheap and fake. Here you have the main character being all serious then booyah stupid blood squirting sh*t. It just didn't mix. Why doesn't it mix? Because it's a $55 million film not some stupid $1 million anime. Blood squirting in anime looks normal. In a movie where the story is supposed to be serious it looks dumb...real dumb.

ANd to the person comparing jet lee movies . Please grow up. Those are so crappy its not even funny.

I brought up Jet Li movies because they're low budget, yet most of their fight scenes beat the sh*t out of those found in Vol 1. Nobody was talking about story. Of course if you can back up your opinion regarding crappy Jet Li movies with respect to the fight scenes then I'd appreciate it. Sh*t that fight scene in the police academy dojo from Kiss of the Dragon alone OWNS Vol 1. Not to mention the fight with the identical twins! Then there's Fist of Legend which is friggin sweet. If you want to talk Oscars then CTHD directed by Ang Lee is what I call Oscar worthy. So far Vol 1 seems to have a decent story/script and decent fight scenes, but I'm wondering where the rest of that $55 million went...

 

[London Geezer]

Pc-Engine, U're hopeless.

U're still comparing different movies to make your opinin appear "right". While all u're doing is making yourself look like an idiot.

The fact that they are different movies, with different styles, different PURPOSE IN LIFE is completely over your head.

Next thing you know, we'll start comparing "Charlie's Angles" with "Rocky"...

It looked ridiculous to u? Great, there was a reason it was there. And to be honest i laughed throughout the whole movie. Because of the VERY geeky references. And loved it. I guess we just took it a different way.

Your comments on "with a 55M budget they could have had better fight scenes" is what is ridiculous here...

Different purpose in life, remember.

 

[Gollum]

Watched it yesterday, pretty awesome piece! Totally different feel than the first one but the story actually turns out to be quite brilliant IMO. What it lacks in action sequences compared to Vol. 1 it makes up for in atmosphere.

Oh and london-boy, PC-Engine indeed just doesn't get it. You made every effort but its just not worth wasting any more breath...