Iraqi interim constitution
- Thread starter RussSchultz
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if memory serves me correctly:
-25% of seats to be held by women
-kurds to have some veto power
cant remember more. ill try to google for more.
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epic
ps good for them. looks like another step in the right direction. Also only 1 soldier died in the last week. Wish it was 0 but this is the next best thing.
-25% of seats to be held by women
-kurds to have some veto power
cant remember more. ill try to google for more.
later,
epic
ps good for them. looks like another step in the right direction. Also only 1 soldier died in the last week. Wish it was 0 but this is the next best thing.
Getting the representation even (and, more so, perceived as such) between the Shiites and Suunis is going to be the issue.
Joe DeFuria
Legend
The best we can hope for, is that ALL sides complain...that means it should be about right. 
Im just praying that the koran doesnt play too prominent a role in the formation of their laws.
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Actually part of the constitution does state that the koran will be used as a source for their future laws. The problem with only using it, will be that it will eventually make iraq look like the taliban in Afghanastan. And ontop of that is that their sitting ontop of billions of dollars of oil, all this is a bad combination for world security.K.I.L.E.R said:
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ps also if you care a wit about human rights, you really dont want them to become too radical in their laws.
The problem isn't the Quran, it's the clerics who go round interpeting it. A number of Middle East (and muslim) countries survive quite well with the Quran & Hadiths as part of their legal system without being a threat to world security, evryonce in a while highly conservative clerics do attempt to push things beyond what westerners consider right but being honest it's their country and nobody elses.
Would you like China dictating what America could do with the constituion? Of course not so stop trying to dicttate what Iraq should be allowed to do with theirs. Try and look at things from their perspective, the Quran isn't just a holy book, for may it's the sum of all their existance even more than the bible could ever be for christians.
Back to the regular schedule now: As long as America treads carefully over the next few years with Iraq there shouldn't be a problem.
Would you like China dictating what America could do with the constituion? Of course not so stop trying to dicttate what Iraq should be allowed to do with theirs. Try and look at things from their perspective, the Quran isn't just a holy book, for may it's the sum of all their existance even more than the bible could ever be for christians.
Back to the regular schedule now: As long as America treads carefully over the next few years with Iraq there shouldn't be a problem.
It is all our problem what they do, since making/creating extremists who then go around the world blowing up people/things does affect me.Heathen said:
The day the ME can show the world that they dont want to blow up people who disagree with them, ill let them do what they want. Until then we should make sure they go down the right road
Thats why its a good idea that they dont go bonkers and start going radical on us. The taliban is a perfect example of what can happen when things go unchecked. Women cant get medical help because only women can touch them, but since women cant become doctors their is no medical help for the women. Its one of the greatest things the US did, when we liberated the women of Afghan from the extremists. Note: this is still work in progress, not true outside major towns/cities.
I agree.
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Willmeister
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Don't let the Qua'arn's 'encroachment' in Iraq distract you from the Bible's encroachment right in your own backyard. I've never seen a nation that wears the Bible on its sleeves like the USA. Can a politician have a speech without invoking God? In most nations, a person who brings up God might get chuckles, but in America, most politicans actually get *applause*. You also get reporters from the Liberal Media asking questions like "Is God still on America's side?" Where did she study journalism? Bob Jones?
The last politican in Canada to even come close made sure to play his religon down. Stockwell Day was a religous nutjob (I'm doing him a favour by using the term nutjob here than other words others feel might be more accurate) but tried to ensure the media never picked up on it by not peddling his religon. Contrast with Bush and Ashcroft...
The last politican in Canada to even come close made sure to play his religon down. Stockwell Day was a religous nutjob (I'm doing him a favour by using the term nutjob here than other words others feel might be more accurate) but tried to ensure the media never picked up on it by not peddling his religon. Contrast with Bush and Ashcroft...
Your post deserves a bunch ofWillmeister said:
. Ive lived in at least 4 countries. And there isnt a country in this whole world that isnt more tolerant of other religions as this one is. Im just curious if you have ever gone overseas. (canada doesnt count). Im a hindu, and have always felt welcome here, and appreciate politicians who feel that god plays a part in their life.Countries in the middle east are not so accepting of other cultures or religions. Thats just a fact. Plain and simple. If your a women you better wear at least something covering your hair if you dont want to be hurt or killed. Thats a fact in a majority of ME countries.I dont see that happening here in the states, do you??? In Europe you have countries banning the expression of religion. I dont see that happening here in the states, do you???
I assume your someone who hates those who believe in god, but come on.
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Ill go to the ever reliable bbc.comsytaylor said:
Doesnt look like its confined to only one country in europe.
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We had a big ding-dong here in the 70's or 80's IIRC over a law to compel motorbike riders to wear crash helmets. The Sikh community kicked up a fuss, as turbans and crash helmets are pretty incompatible. I can't recall the outcome, I *think* the Government backed down and exempted Sikhs.
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Not really good still if I moved to Indonesia it would mean accepting the "new" culture whether I like it or not people coming in should know that certain things have to change... in the same way if I "kissed" my wife publicly in Indonesia I could expect some nasty things to potentially happen...
which doesn't mean they are really "right" with banning the scarf but the problem is that the headscarf is seen as a somewhat "radical" sign so suckage. It's a culture clash as there is a big % of immigrants on the ingenious population "secular" vs muslim... US is a country of immigrants so that is easier to ignore there... even though I am in principle against banning anything, but I can see the point the French are making.
which doesn't mean they are really "right" with banning the scarf but the problem is that the headscarf is seen as a somewhat "radical" sign so suckage. It's a culture clash as there is a big % of immigrants on the ingenious population "secular" vs muslim... US is a country of immigrants so that is easier to ignore there... even though I am in principle against banning anything, but I can see the point the French are making.
Willmeister
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I've lived in the Canada and USA and have been to Europe. You have to realize that our religous tolerance (Canada/US/Australia/etc) is an off-shoot of Elizabeathan policies. England largely resisted the Catholic-Protestant violence that plagued the continent. The problem now, I think, is that people have been so abstracted and lost have lost a sense of identity, they're returning to religon as something that defines them from others. Turkey, India, etc. It's not just confined 'over there' it's slowly happening here...
But it's not the only fact. If you hadn't noticed, in Egypt, Western clothing stores are facing literal bankruptcy as most people are turning to traditional dress for a lot of reasons. Sure, rejection of Western values in favour of local tradition is one, but the clothing is much more practical than wool three-piece suits. And it's not because Egypt is forcing them to either. It's the opposite. It's was Congress' oppression of religion to create unity in India that created a backlash from Hindu nationalists, and now they have the BJP. We had Ataturk basically declaring war on Islam and look what's happening now. Islamic fundamentalists declared war on the Turkish government. Anytime any government touches religion they get burned...
Not yet, but people like Ashcroft should be sending up warning bells with his daily morning prayer meetings. We had a similar scare up here with Stockwell Day. Do you think those are acceptable? I'm sure any Jewish, Islamic or Hindu DoJ workers may not feel comfortable with these...
You're assumption would be wrong. I disagree with what France is doing. It might be for the best intentions, but they should look at other nations that have tried to 'regulate' religion. In a lot of nations, religion is their political third-rail like Medicare is in Canada and Social Security is in the USA. Touch it at your own peril. But you have to realize why Chirac was doing this. For one, he's always been a dick, certain politicians are trying to appeal to the Le Pen vote, and it's such a non-issue that really doesn't affect poltician directly, so more pressing matters could easily be ignored (like all their party friends going to jail like in France). It easily distracts people which is why these issues come up. It's bait.
The law just got passed in france, so if you give those 2 politicians in belgian a little time. im sure it will pass. BTW whose trawling, Im just stating facts from the bbc website. Unless your saying they are trawling. I was just trying to show you that france isnt the only country in the process of putting limits on religious freedom.sytaylor said:
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