Yea but it's dumping 200W into a Deepcool AK400. If this cooler isn't enough then I'll tune the CPU down to work with it.That temp seems pretty high for a 13600k no?
Yea but it's dumping 200W into a Deepcool AK400. If this cooler isn't enough then I'll tune the CPU down to work with it.
Besides it only uses power like that when I'm running a stress test or if shaders are compiling. Normal temps while gaming are around 65C.
I didn't realize that either before I bought it. I looked at the specs from Intel and assumed that was accurate when deciding on cooling. The power limit I see in HWMonitor is 4096WYah, that makes sense. Didn't realize a 13600k used quite that much, but they can that gen definitely can draw a lot more power in synthetic benchmarks that in gaming.
Have you noticed any changes positive or negative since the update?thanks, MSI. you release a beta bios with 129 microcode and then you release a non-beta bios with the 129 the day after and now i have to update again grumble grumble
no it seems fine? i havent hooked an oscilloscope up to anything so i have to trust that there are no transient voltage spikes that will harm my cpuHave you noticed any changes positive or negative since the update?
I've been watching his videos and I did notice that he sounds like Kermit. He knows what he's doing but his videos are 60+ minutes of him figuring stuff out in realtime and TBH even at 2x speed it's too much for me. He might change his mind about something at the 30 minute mark which I respect, but this style would be more suited to a livestream. To be fair he does title some of his videos things like "rambling about..." etc.yeah so my understanding of the MSI setting CPU lite load was not correct. its a way to set the AC and DC load lines
but it seems this is not the best way to undervolt if you want CEP (current excursion prevention) enabled
i can recommend videos by buildzoid who goes into this, albeit in a rambling unedited form but it is informative though sometimes you may want to play it at 2x speed)
oh and btw doesnt he sound like Kermit the frog?
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I finally updated to the new BIOS. With all the exact same settings temps and power use have gone up measurably, causing performance to drop a bit and noise to go up. Before the CPU wouldn't pass ~81C running Cinebench R23. Now it gets to the mid-high 80s and the frequency drops from 5.1 to 5GHz. Why would limiting voltage cause power/temps to go up?so this is my new settings instead of using the CPU lite load stuff because i want to have CEP enabled (because its part of the Intel default settings) I have set this based on this video
fingers crossed im going to run some heavy stuff to see if this is stable (prime95, cinebench r23, r24 and maybe something else i dont know)
edit: ok cinebench r23 crashed so im going to try -0.090 edit 2: blechhhhh i give up
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edit 3: im not smart enough or patient for this right now, so i went back to cpu lite load mode 9 and everything else auto and intel default. i just have to trust msi and intel
I see. Well I just disabled the "Intel Default" setting in the BIOS that I hadn't noticed until now. This caused temps to go down by about 5C and now the CPU sits at 5.1GHz during the full R23 run.You can go as low as the CPU stability allows, of courseCrank it down a notch or two, test thoroughly, repeat until tests fail, and then crank it back up one or two notches.
IIRC part of these microcode issues resulted in misreporting CPU temperatures by as much as six degrees celcius, explaining why you now see it "running hotter." It is likely to have always been running at those temps, and was misreporting it the whole time. This misreporting of temperatures was also part of the core reason for the degredation, as the firmware would calculate Intel's Thermal Velocity Boost incorrectly (eg thinking it's running cooler than it is) which would permit a longer (unsafe) duration of higher power and related voltage.
most boards allow you to save setting (though not sure if they survive a bios flash)I don't want to update the BIOS and have to re-apply all my settings and have them drop a new update on me right after that.
It doesn't survive.most boards allow you to save setting (though not sure if they survive a bios flash)
After any bios/UEFI flashes you should always do the "reset to default settings". A lot of times the flashing can change current features and add new ones, resetting to default can save you some heart aches of oddities happening because your old settings don't mesh with the newly flashed bios settings.most boards allow you to save setting (though not sure if they survive a bios flash)