Intel Kaby Lake + AMD Radeon product *spin-off*

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  1. HMBR

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    the MX150 is used in laptops that cost half of that amount, so yes, in this case it really doesn't make much sense if you care about gaming performance (if you don't, the MX150 is also not interesting, just the Intel IGP is enough for most)
     
  2. ToTTenTranz

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    To be honest, what really pains me the most looking at that chart is how a measly addition of 8GB RAM and 256 SSD costs a whopping $250.
    What is this? A macbook pro from 2012?
     
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    That's quite normal for brand pricing. Upgrades in brand PCs have rarely ever had anything to do with reality.
     
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    Yeah,
    that is why I mentioned cheapest price rather than both.
    It is not as if the products are cheap in the 1st place, so I am with ToTTenTranz that it sucks for mainstream consumers that just buy these brands along with the upgrade.
     
  5. ToTTenTranz

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    Rumored 3dmark11 result from the 8705G, the 65W with a Vega ML:

    [​IMG]
     
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    Really not quite sure where to put this.
     
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    So Vega is a stop gap to fulfill the need and test out the EMIB and formfactor?
     
  8. Dayman1225

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    That seems to be the case
     
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    Gen12?
    So either this isn't coming within the next two/three years or they're skipping Gen10 and Gen11.


    Vega M in Kaby Lake G is a stop-gap for two solutions:

    1 - Intel with their own Gen12 discrete GPU that will connect through EMIB and probably use MCDRAM
    2 - AMD with a higher-performance APU (say 6-core/12-thread plus a 32 CU Vega?) that has HBM2 in a single package.

    I'd say both will be out there with 7nm. At that process, the new APU might be able to fit in a size not much larger than the current Raven Ridge APU, and Raven Ridge can get a shrink to ~130mm^2 (and support LPDDR4X!) and ~8W within a similar performance bracket.


    Regardless, I think both AMD and Intel want to hamper nvidia's complete dominance over the 20-60W, sub-200mm^2 mobile GPU market on the long-term.
     
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    I think it's pretty clear (assuming any of it is correct) that Gen 12 will be first designed by Raja and could come around 2020 at the earliest
     
  11. Dayman1225

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    Should be around 2020 yeah. Gen 10 is 2018 and is being packaged with Cannonlake (if it ever comes), Gen 11 for Icelake in 2019 and then Gen 12 with Tigerlake in 2020~.
     
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    Even with 2020, it would be a very short time window to design a modern GPU.

    I'm not sure how much involvement Koduri would have that far down the chain, given he's supposed to be an executive for a newly formed division, new product direction, likely substantially new team that doesn't exist yet, and some poorly defined areas of responsibility that Intel is from external indicators going to have various portions fight over.
    He was hired very late in 2017, and it'd be expected that there'd be months of getting situated without a much larger set of responsibilities and instabilities to deal with.

    It's possible that a good chunk of 2018 is going to have him worried about other things or just getting the organization in functional order to be able to start working on an architecture he could make his mark on, then start the timer of 3-4 years for a design cycle.
     
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    Recently the manager of CCG at Intel, Gregory Bryant, gave a little insight to what Raja has and will be doing:
    • Short term is improving iGPU performance "substantially" (Gen X, so I take it the short term plan is also to scale it up?)
    • Looking to get into discrete
    • Controls all Graphics IP
    • Is building a roadmap with Intel IP and Intel engineers.
    • Though it is still early days for Raja
    It'll be interesting to see how this all plays out in the near future.
     
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    Was this in an interview or article?
    I recall Intel shed a number of staff in its graphics group, so one item likely missing from that set is hiring/poaching in order to get larger complement of Intel engineers, plus whatever is needed to get more than just Intel's IP.

    Some number of months would be baked into what counts as a safe or polite margin for extricating those staff. It's a probable area where Koduri himself provides some utility.
     
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    Interview, was during an Analyst call at CES.
     
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    First Hybrid Intel-AMD Chip Benchmarks With Dell XPS 15 Show Vega M Obliterating Intel UHD And MX 150 Graphics

    Not bad.
     
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    It's interesting that Intel is the first company to deliver on the promise of an APU using HBM that many of us speculated about when AMD first unveiled they were going to use HBM for Fury.

    What is good to see is that as hypothesized it helps to enable fantastic performance per watt in a laptop device.

    Regards,
    SB
     
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    A device using the mobile Vega discrete may not be too far off, besides some uncertainties about the power management and perhaps a small amount of extra PCIe power consumption.
     
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    It's not an APU in any way. It's just a new way to package discrete graphics.
     
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    I kind of behaves like an APU for most intents and purposes, though.
     
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