Considering the only real difference is BIOS and Driver, that's not surprising really
Considering the only real difference is BIOS and Driver, that's not surprising really
Not in here at least, as far as I can see.
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/kaby-lake-g-vega-polaris-graphics,36844.html
Or did you refer to another THG article?
Yes, the GPU for Intel is advertised as being part of the "Vega" family, but from the RadeonSI/RADV/AMDGPU driver patches, the indications are that it's really more in common with Polaris at least from the driver perspective.
I know it's a dead horse and whatnot, but unless you're actually saying that AMD outright lies about their in-house benches, all the advertised features are there and work on the hardware-level, only thing that's really lacking is the automagic primitive shader -stuffIntel: We want an AMD GPU to combine with our CPU on a package, build us a Vega since that's your newest architecture you're building
Raja: We should use Polaris instead, with HBM2
Intel: But the features you have in Vega could be very beneficial
Raja: Yeah well... if I tell you the truth, will you give me a job?
Intel: Uh sure, why not
Raja: Vega features don't work
Intel: Polaris it is! See you in 2 years, we'll have an office waiting
Oh come on, it's a joke. Why so serious?I know it's a dead horse and whatnot, but unless you're actually saying that AMD outright lies about their in-house benches, all the advertised features are there and work on the hardware-level, only thing that's really lacking is the automagic primitive shader -stuff
I know it's a dead horse and whatnot, but unless you're actually saying that AMD outright lies about their in-house benches, all the advertised features are there and work on the hardware-level, only thing that's really lacking is the automagic primitive shader -stuff
And then there is how much Intel charges the OEM's, any rumour/leaks on the pricing?I'd be very interested to know how much AMD charges for the gaming version of the embedded GPU, and for the pro version. Could this be a truly lucrative deal for AMD? Or is it more like the console contracts where their margins are tiny? The mindshare gains alone would probably justify the deal anyway, but it's an interesting question.
I wonder how big the market is for tiny workstations such as this Dell machine.
How on earth wouldn't 8 general purpose PCIe lanes be enough given all the other platform features including discrete GFX which isn't eating them?In reality it looks like no-one has created a gaming laptop version of Kaby Lake-G with Vega, possibly because it only has 8 PCIe lanes available along with potentially pricing when looking at those models.
So both Dell and HP are committed heavily to gaming laptop models, but raises the question where is Kaby Lake-G with Vega versions; the benefit of looking at them is that they already have premium models available or soon and both are not signed up to GPP.
Not sure if one should expect products from Asus/etc any quicker than what Dell and HP could do for their gaming series.
I also said possibly cost from Intel and possibly for PCIe, meaning not definite.How on earth wouldn't 8 general purpose PCIe lanes be enough given all the other platform features including discrete GFX which isn't eating them?
Again, KBL-G has discrete graphics built in package, PCIe lanes are irrelevant from graphics' perspective.I also said possibly cost from Intel and possibly for PCIe, meaning not definite.
For one all modern gaming laptops have 16x PCIe lanes for a dGPU, these SKUs limits what other dGPUs can also be sold now/support in future for such models.
It is better reason than an article blaming it on a single IHV for why no Kaby Lake-G models from OEMs; which ignores the larger OEMs such as Dell or HP gaming, usually one of them is quick to respond when a new CPU-GPU comes to market.
Please take the whole post.Again, KBL-G has discrete graphics built in package, PCIe lanes are irrelevant from graphics' perspective.
16 lanes versus 8 is for all practical intents and purposes zero advantage even for bleeding edge GPUs, much less a mainstream budget part like this vega-polaris frankenstein hybrid. Besides, routing 4 CPU lanes straight to a SSD would do users way more good overall than going through the platform controller, and giving all CPU lanes to the GPU. Why would anyone seriously care how many PCI lanes are hooked to the GPU anyhow? It's end-result performance that matters, not theoretical numbers.For one all modern gaming laptops have 16x PCIe lanes for a dGPU
Yeah maybe better to say x16 lanes for mult-configuration flexibility with dGPU.16 lanes versus 8 is for all practical intents and purposes zero advantage even for bleeding edge GPUs, much less a mainstream budget part like this vega-polaris frankenstein hybrid. Besides, routing 4 CPU lanes straight to a SSD would do users way more good overall than going through the platform controller, and giving all CPU lanes to the GPU. Why would anyone seriously care how many PCI lanes are hooked to the GPU anyhow? It's end-result performance that matters, not theoretical numbers.
Besides, you'll save a bit of power not hooking up all the PCIe lanes. Always* a smart thing in a laptop!
*A true-ish statement.
Many people have, and there's zero difference in performance when comparing x8 and x16 PCIe 3.0.But I never said it was to do with performance (not sure if anyone has tested with 570/580/1060/1070 at x8 and behaviour)
Why would anyone ever even consider separate discrete GPU for Kaby Lake-G -based machine? There is literally zero reasons, and there never will be one. If you want different GPU options, you go with a regular KBL or CFL.The big caveat and Kaotik has a point is a lot of this is context of adding/supporting a dGPU, and whether OEMs would want the Vega Kaby Lake-G as a single solution or able to fit more broadly within various gaming brand series and at what price.
What is your thoughts then on why there are no OEM KBL-G gaming laptops even from those OEMs such as Dell when a notebook site seems to think they should exist now as part of an article?Why would anyone ever even consider separate discrete GPU for Kaby Lake-G -based machine? There is literally zero reasons, and there never will be one. If you want different GPU options, you go with a regular KBL or CFL.
My guess? Intel must be charging an arm and a leg for Kaby Lake G. Possibly more expensive than having a "vanilla" Intel CPU + NVidia 1050 class GPU. Don't forget that KLG has HBM2, which is expensive. OEMs could theoretically release a more expensive gaming laptop with it to offset it, but what would be the point if it would more than what a GTX1080 one costs?
EDIT - Looking at Dell website, a XPS 15 with Core i5 KLG costs around £1400. An Alienware with a GTX1060 costs £1099. What do you think gamers would buy if there would be an Alienware with KLG at £1400? No brainer...