Intel i752 and Trident XP4, ever released?

[[EOCF] Tim]

I'm just wondering if any of these cards were ever launched?

The only thing I could find about the Intel i752, is that they were never released on an add in board, just integrated, and eventually the tech was integrated in the i810 motherboard IGP. Accelenation said the following, which I'm not sure is correct, it's got a picture of the supposed board there, might have been a press board?

Also in April Intel announced its i752 chip, the successor to its i740 chip released a year earlier. Cards using this chip finally became available in August, but with a performance less than half that of the competition, Intel’s detour outside the world of integration came to an abrupt end.

http://accelenation.com/?ac.id.123.5


As for the Trident XP4, I never thought they were released, last thing I heard was that they were having problems with the 0.13µm in 2002.

Does anyone have some more information on this topic?

 

[[EOCF] Tim]

Oh, and has anyone actually owned a Videologic NEON 250 board (NEC/PowerVR PVR250) or still has got one?

I've been looking for 2 years for this card since I've been collecting videocards, and I've never seen one on eBay or anywhere else. Must have been very rare because most chips went to the Sega for the Dreamcast console? I've seen one or two reviews on the cards with retail boards but that's about it. I know it had like 13 months between being announced and before it hit the market lol.

 

[longo213]

I'm just wondering if any of these cards were ever launched?

As for the Trident XP4, I never thought they were released, last thing I heard was that they were having problems with the 0.13µm in 2002.

Not sure about desktop versions, but I've seen one or two Toshiba laptops with mobile version of XP4 (named XP4m32) back in 2003. And slightly modified successor of XP4 was later produced by XGI as Volari XP5.

 

[DeanoC]

Must have been very rare because most chips went to the Sega for the Dreamcast console?

Different chips, while related the PC and Dreamcast (Holly) had significant differences.

 

[CarstenS]

Oh, and has anyone actually owned a Videologic NEON 250 board (NEC/PowerVR PVR250) or still has got one?

Is it something like this? (<- klick me, I'm a link!)
Then yes, I do have one.

 

[[EOCF] Tim]

Is it something like this? (<- klick me, I'm a link!)
Then yes, I do have one.

PM sent :smile:

 

[Rys]

Then yes, I do have one.

Me too

 

[[EOCF] Tim]

Do you have one or more? (and one for me?)

Does anyone know what happened to the XP4?

 

[CarstenS]

Weren't XP4s sold via XGI as Volari something lateron?

 

[[EOCF] Tim]

Weren't XP4s sold via XGI as Volari something lateron?

Ah that could very well be, because XGI took over Trident's graphics subsidiary, just like it took over SiS's Xabre subsidiary.

I'm checking it out, see if that clears anything up, thanks.

 

[[EOCF] Tim]

Hm, haven't found yet if XGI put Tridents tech in the Volari cards, meanwhile I searched for some XP4 pics, but I can only find prototype boards with XP4 chips on them, here are some pictures :


http://img510.imageshack.us/my.php?image=33123152sa4.jpg

http://img510.imageshack.us/my.php?image=t22pz9.jpg

http://img147.imageshack.us/my.php?image=t23jl6.jpg

http://img360.imageshack.us/my.php?image=t2cv5.jpg

http://img147.imageshack.us/my.php?image=t3ew0.jpg

http://img362.imageshack.us/my.php?image=44675bh1.jpg

http://img393.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tomhistorytrixp4zd6.jpg

August (2002) kicked off with Trident Microsystems Inc. announcing a desktop range of XP4 products. The XP4 was slated for release in three versions: the T1 clocked at 250/250 with a 64bit memory interface supporting 64MBytes of frame buffer, the T2 clocked also at 250/250 but with a 128-bit memory interface supporting 128MBytes of frame buffer and the T3 clocked at 300/300 with a 128-bit interface and supporting 128Mbytes of frame buffer. Trident made quite extravagant claims regarding performance, expecting to get within 70 percent of Nvidia's GeForce4 Ti4600. Unfortunately, Trident has experienced production problems at the new 0.13µm scale, causing the release schedule to slip into first quarter of 2003. The T2 engineering samples that were available suggested that the fastest XP4 card would fall a little short of GeForce4 Ti4200 performance. Initially Trident was confident in producing faster and faster versions on a six-monthly cycle. As is typically the case, it was the first cycle that proved the most troublesome.

After that I can't figure out what the heck happened to it. Board partners (Chaintech, Innovision, HIS and Jetway) got as far as making boxes for the thing, which were showed during a marketing event from Trident, in August 2002, which showed T1 and T2 engineering sample cards, . Reviewers got Engineering samples around January/February 2003, got tested, they sucked, and that's as far as I get......

 

[swaaye]

Extremetech reviewed XP4 way back when and just tore it apart.
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,2845,746233,00.asp

 

[[EOCF] Tim]

Yea, it kind of sucked didn't it! lol

Hm, I know there are a lot of people on this board who have got good memory, still hoping for others to pop in and say this and that.

 

[Putas]

AFAIK i752 cards were just shortly available and intel quickly canceled it.
XP4 was never released.
Volari V3 was based on it's successor XP5 which already scored some points in notebooks. Similar specs to XP4 except the crazy pipelines count claims. PS 1.3 130nm core with even less transistors then XP4 and 200 MHz core/memory clock. But still much faster then the beta XP4 and sold dirty cheap. IMO very efficient chip.

 

[[EOCF] Tim]

Ah good, okay that makes a lot of sense then. XP4 didn't launch, i752 was, but just near impossible to find lol.

Thanks for that.

 

[daylimit]

I'm waiting for XP4, mate!

 

[[EOCF] Tim]

I'm waiting for XP4, mate!

Que?


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Apparently i752 never made it into volume production :

http://www.intel.com/support/graphics/sb/CS-022377.htm

 

[[EOCF] Tim]

Tridents XP4 chip was apparently used in a couple of notebooks, most likely the T1 or T2 variants, and this is what I think happened, Trident had production problems, getting the retail boards working properly or working up to speed took too long, hence when XGI bought Trident, the Tridents ready made XP4 chip was presented to them on a platter, and incorporated it into the XGI Volari V3, which has identical specs to the 'high end' T3 XP4. Also XGI's XP5 is identical to the T3 XP4, but the XP5 was for the notebook market.

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/XGI_Volari

Developed by Trident team

• Volari V3
• Volari XP5, XP5m32, XP5m64
• Volari 8300 - Although product page is no longer available, and production of video cards using it are cancelled, the chips were made into production models of RealVision XMD Advanced series video cards.
• Volari 8300 Mobile/Volari XP10 - Originally titled Volari 8300 Mobile, it was renamed to Volari XP10 when it was finally available. XP10 added LVDS transmitter.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XGI

Case closed.

 

[Putas]

I say that german wiki is wrong. XP5 is different from XP4, just the basic specs are similar.
You cannot say Volari V3 is based on XP4. It has clocks nowhere near XP4 T3 and still can outperform it. There have been significant changes between those chips.
Edit: I mean T2 (AFAIK nothing else was benchmarked), which was still higher clocked then V3.

 

[[EOCF] Tim]

Yea the bit about the XP5 is definitely wrong I think.

The XP4 is the X3 though, specs are identical, have a look :


Volari V3 specs


Volari V3, BitFluent Architecture

Described by XGI as an "…entry level graphics solution." The Volari V3 is a Directx 8.1 compatible chip supporting up to 128mb of DDR. The V3 is a 2-pipeline, 2 texture unit design. The performance numbers quoted on the website are 300Mhz clock speed, 600MP/s fill rate. The V3 will use a 128-bit DDR Memory bus, giving 9.6GB/s of bandwidth at a memory clock of 300Mhz.[/font]


http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=908&page=4



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Everything up there is identical to the XP4 specs below, core clock, bandwith etc, not a coincidence?

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Trident XP4 specs


Trident XP4 T3
Core 300MHz
ROPs 4
TMU/Pipe 2
Process 0.13µm
DDR 128bit 300MHz
BW 9.6GB/s
Filter Bilinear, Trilinear, ? Aniso
Vertex DX 8.1


http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=1681

and

http://users.erols.com/chare/video.htm