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Impact of AI on gaming industry jobs *spawn
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The other perspective here is if larger studios can save money by replacing convectional human labor with AI than smaller studios (or even single person developers) can conversely also leverage AI to scale up production to a level that they otherwise would not be able. If you could cheaply replace professional voice actors with AI than would mean even the smallest developers down to single person indie's can have fully professional level voice acted games.
This is a broader issue but I feel the impact is largely going to be same at least over the longer run regardless of industry. It's going to effectively start cutting from the bottom of the workforce any industry. This is something that seems to be often skirted around as it tends to effectively pit "workers against workers" but in any industry there is is likely curve in terms of the distribution of the individual workers capability and replaceability.
The other controversy here with AI is I always feel there's a bit of gatekeeping involved with industry incumbents. What you see with AI is that it potentially lowers effectively the amount of fundamental technical ability needed. Lowering (or even removing) that traditional bar in any field may flood more entrants to that field. If we take gaming for example and hypothetically we get AI to a level in which you can build and design games via just natural language (eg. something like how they "program" the Holodeck programs in Star Trek for a Sci Fi example to illustrate) is that a good or bad thing? It definitely would he highly disruptive.
This is a broader issue but I feel the impact is largely going to be same at least over the longer run regardless of industry. It's going to effectively start cutting from the bottom of the workforce any industry. This is something that seems to be often skirted around as it tends to effectively pit "workers against workers" but in any industry there is is likely curve in terms of the distribution of the individual workers capability and replaceability.
The other controversy here with AI is I always feel there's a bit of gatekeeping involved with industry incumbents. What you see with AI is that it potentially lowers effectively the amount of fundamental technical ability needed. Lowering (or even removing) that traditional bar in any field may flood more entrants to that field. If we take gaming for example and hypothetically we get AI to a level in which you can build and design games via just natural language (eg. something like how they "program" the Holodeck programs in Star Trek for a Sci Fi example to illustrate) is that a good or bad thing? It definitely would he highly disruptive.
True. Human experience contains everything including how something is produced and what is consumed. But making consumption and production themselves the main focus, disregards the majority of the human experience and the important aspects of the human experience.
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No, he was sued for (allegedly) composing a musical piece that was a copy of another musical piece he had sold off.
Xbox sparks dev revolt with new AI writing partnership: 'Lots of people are going to get fired, games will get worse, and C-suite will get millions' — PC Gamer
"Another f****** strike is coming."
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Will “lazy” AI devs be a thing?
Expected. They are branding it as a tool to help employees but they know its about reducing staff. A lot of details arent shown, but men in suits present the skill and talent of these employees as reduntant cost with no true value for the business.
I had that shit happening in the company I worked before.
It was demoralizing. They took artists with skills and made them generate assets by prompts just to fill our games with content.
Story writers saw themselves replaced by any random employee who had no skills or understanding of writing to generate stories and tasks.
I had that shit happening in the company I worked before.
It was demoralizing. They took artists with skills and made them generate assets by prompts just to fill our games with content.
Story writers saw themselves replaced by any random employee who had no skills or understanding of writing to generate stories and tasks.
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It's a tool. Like any other tool it can be used or misused.
I think @Johnny Awesome has it right... Any tool can be misused and abused; what's the old adage about someone who only has a hammer sees everything as a nail? For those who are proficient at their art, they can pick and choose the tools they wish to leverage to deliver their art. There are people in this world who may still write their code in native C because "That's How God Intended It!" -- roughly paraphrasing from an actual VP of software development at my latest job. The point being, there will be those who thoroughly abuse it and make shitty games; there will be others who leverage it as a component of their larger selection of tools to further enable their art, and there will be those who skip it entirely out of their personal views on purity of the product.
AI is going to completely ruin school coursework just like it's going to ruin software development. Which is to say, bad kneejerk reactions to AI are probably whats making it worse, rather than thinking through how it should be used properly.
AI is going to completely ruin school coursework just like it's going to ruin software development. Which is to say, bad kneejerk reactions to AI are probably whats making it worse, rather than thinking through how it should be used properly.
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About 30 years ago I read a comic set in a blade runner like future, where anyone is a fan of a singer who alone without a band makes lyrics and notes that touch the soul. Think Taylor Swift + Beatles + Rihanna + Ariana Grande + Kayne West without antisemitism. Of course, his concerts are only streamed because it's the future, and he lives secluded in his inaccessible mansion.
A group of young adults get their hands on some military grade hacking tools, and instead of stealing money, they use them to infiltrate the mansion just to see this singer in presence.
When they find him they discover that he's nothing like they expected. He's a (stereotypical '90) programmer who explains that the singer doesn't exist, it's been generated by an AI to appease the broader tastes, and all the concert and interviews are generated by the AI, and all the songs are generated and performed by an AI using all the music, lyrics and poetry produced by humanity for the training. They go mad and kill him with an outburst of pure rage and shock.
30 years ago, and now it's the future.
A group of young adults get their hands on some military grade hacking tools, and instead of stealing money, they use them to infiltrate the mansion just to see this singer in presence.
When they find him they discover that he's nothing like they expected. He's a (stereotypical '90) programmer who explains that the singer doesn't exist, it's been generated by an AI to appease the broader tastes, and all the concert and interviews are generated by the AI, and all the songs are generated and performed by an AI using all the music, lyrics and poetry produced by humanity for the training. They go mad and kill him with an outburst of pure rage and shock.
30 years ago, and now it's the future.
This is not an economics and politics thread.
I understand the broader topic does tap into those things but such discussions need to take place in the RPSC forum. For this thread to exist here, it needs to look at the impacts of AI in gamedev without pulling in ideologies on how the world should be run beyond some basic like, I guess 'slavery is bad' and 'people need gainful employment'.
I understand the broader topic does tap into those things but such discussions need to take place in the RPSC forum. For this thread to exist here, it needs to look at the impacts of AI in gamedev without pulling in ideologies on how the world should be run beyond some basic like, I guess 'slavery is bad' and 'people need gainful employment'.
I think it'll all work out, for better or worse, regardless of what the reactions are in the short term. The process of school coursework and evaluation will have to change. Frankly we're probably a half-century overdue for that anyways. Worst-case scenario the departments that are particularly vulnerable to this like the humanities are either not particularly vital or have some inherent self-correction mechanism to sort the fraudulently capable from the legitimately capable.
There was a time when video games didn't have dedicated staff to VO and writing. It's only been in the last maybe 20 years where the game productions got large enough and technology got capable enough to allow those things to be a job category on its own. Video games have always been an industry prone to skillset churn as a result of technology changes. You insulate yourself from this by investing in your skills and not being complacent. If you were a programmer in the 70s/80s then you couldn't rest on your laurels expecting your 6502 assembly chops to be in demand until you're ready to retire. If you were a music composer/producer then you couldn't just ignore the shift from computer generated audio to digitized recording. Bitmap artists/animators had to self-teach to move to 3D CAD for modeling, UV mapping, animation. It comes with the territory.
I think the difference now is that for the last ~15 years or so there's been a lull/plateau/maturation in the industry that's given some people the false impression that things are never going to change again. The workforce expanded to artists of a non-technical variety that appear to be unconditioned to cope with change. The potential copyright/IP issues regarding training of these models I think is a bit of a red herring, as there's probably ample enough public domain data coupled with human-guided training to get the quality to where it needs to be (it may just take a little longer without the bootstrapping via indiscriminate internet scraping.) Regulation and IP litigation aren't going to stop this.
Is this going to make for better games? Look at the history of new technology in games. The bigger the change, the more shakeup there is. Almost no franchises survived the jump from 2D to 3D, or ROM to optical. There were a ton of bad games that no one today looks back fondly on. Nintendo and Sega lost their positions in the market in just a couple years. If AI ends up having a very significant impact on how games are made then it only stands to reason that it'll get implemented badly in many places, certain genres will try and fail to leverage it, new ones will emerge. If it's less significant then it'll just mean certain skillsets will have less demand for certain stages of the workflow.
Personally I'd much rather have an industry that's constrained by technology than one that's hit an HR ceiling. An AI generating script and VO is an engineering problem that's at least in theory a solvable one with a scalable solution. Remembering back to SWTOR's pre-release hype I remember Bioware bragging about how many VO hours/lines there were. I don't think I've ever been less enthused about something so expensive. I'd imagine that even today's games likely haven't eclipsed SWTOR (or at least by very much anyways). There's presumably some upper bounds on how much is feasible to write and record and we've been hovering there for the last decade.
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Most OpenAI Employees Did Not Want To Work For Microsoft, As It Would Have Meant Losing Out On Several Benefits, Claims New Report
A risky bluff played by OpenAI employees actually worked out in their favor, as they did not want to work for Microsoft in the first place
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They almost bluffed around and found out.Most OpenAI Employees Did Not Want To Work For Microsoft, As It Would Have Meant Losing Out On Several Benefits, Claims New Report
A risky bluff played by OpenAI employees actually worked out in their favor, as they did not want to work for Microsoft in the first place
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How the computer games industry is embracing AI
Developing computer games can be wildly expensive so some hope that AI can cut the cost.
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