The increased cost of the BD-ROM is immaterial when compared to the competitive advantage it gives Sony for the successor to the DVD. It's not a question of how they sepnd the money per unit. Not including BluRay isn't going to get you more RAM, because that additional cost is just going to be written off as the price for competing with HD-DVD.
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Brad Grenz said:
of course it means yo uwton get more ram or more of something else . They can't just write off anything . They can take a loss but what is an acceptable loss is going to dictate what goes into the console .
Why else do you think there wont be a gig of ram , a 2x16 cell a 200 gig hardrive and other things in it .
The bigger or better part a ) put in the slower and more cost effective part b they can put in .
Its simple and even if bluray is in to compete with hd-dvd its presence is going to add to the final cost and to stay at the acceptable cost lvls something is going to be less than it would be with out bluray
jvd said:
JVD I think you're missing the point though - if Sony feels that putting blu-ray players inside the PS3 is going to be worth possible millions/billions down the line in format royalties, media sales, Hollywood adoption, etc... The cost of the blu-ray player in the PS3 would not be considered as a factor in a 'loss' per se, it would be an expense along the lines of any other 'typical' capital investment.
Bred's right when he says, if they didn't have blu-ray players in the system, they wouldn't replace it with anything else. Unless possibly another Cell chip, just to bring even more economies of scale to that particular sector.
Sony can make money off that . But that is not scei part of sony. They still have to be profitable and putting in a 40$ drive or something into a console is going to affect what else goes into it as they can't afford to sell a 700$ console for 300$ Which is what i'm trying to explain. There is an acceptable loss facter 100$ 200$ or whatever and since bluray is in the ps3 it will be in at the cost of something else .
it depends on how much a bluray drive is and what else they could put in . I don't know . But you can be sure it effects whats in the system as did ms sticking with just dvd format
Yeah but the real test is, will the PS3 still have better components than the competition apart from the optical drive?
That is, will Sony manage to provide at least the same amount of RAM and more powerful silicon despite having a much higher-cost optical drive?
If they pull that off, it really doesn't matter they put in a Blu-Ray drive does it?
Except better value for the consumers.
That is, will Sony manage to provide at least the same amount of RAM and more powerful silicon despite having a much higher-cost optical drive?
If they pull that off, it really doesn't matter they put in a Blu-Ray drive does it?
Except better value for the consumers.
No, because Sony will accept a greater loss in order to include BluRay than they would otherwise. The different divisions are still part of the same company and. If orders come down to include BluRay SCEI's gonna say, "well that will increase the projected loss per unit" and the higher ups will say that's fine. It's not like they were told they could lose an extra $30 per unit and SCEI decided on BluRay instead of extra RAM. More Ram may make for more detailed games, but an ace in the hole for the HD format wars... That's gonna make Sony money in the long run in a way extra RAM never can.
well if the ps3 doesn't come out till 2006 then it should be able to have the same as ms plus more . If its only on par with ms or ms has an advanatge to it then there is a problem and there is the chance of the ns5 being better and a more feature rich gaming system .
Depends on how you mean . Is sony furthering thier agenda of getting blu-ray as the next gen format is good for thier video game consumers I don't know .
I would wager many gamers in 2 or 3 years would rather have more powerfull hardware and more ram in the system than a bluray drive in which you can get a better one that is recorable for realtivly cheap than to have a read only drive in the ps3 .
At least the gamers . Mabye the mass market will want something else .
As for the cost of bluray and hd-dvd things can get interesting mighty quick. It might be that by the time ps3 hits the usa shores you can get a hd-dvd write drive or bluray write drive for less than an actual ps3 .
Because unlike dvd , there will be two formats fighting for the crown and price cuts will happen quickly
Depends on how you mean . Is sony furthering thier agenda of getting blu-ray as the next gen format is good for thier video game consumers I don't know .
I would wager many gamers in 2 or 3 years would rather have more powerfull hardware and more ram in the system than a bluray drive in which you can get a better one that is recorable for realtivly cheap than to have a read only drive in the ps3 .
At least the gamers . Mabye the mass market will want something else .
As for the cost of bluray and hd-dvd things can get interesting mighty quick. It might be that by the time ps3 hits the usa shores you can get a hd-dvd write drive or bluray write drive for less than an actual ps3 .
Because unlike dvd , there will be two formats fighting for the crown and price cuts will happen quickly
All of what you said puts sony in a weaker positon to battle ms and nintendo . That is the last thing sony as a whole wnats as that is thier cash cow .
Make the system too expensive and ms can come out with other versions of the base system and sell them for less than the ps3 . Make the system to expensive and they can have years of losses that a weak selling system wont be able to counter .
Whats worse is what happens if ms puts out a dvd xenon and then next year puts out a hd-dvd version for 300$ and moves the dvd version to 200$ and then nintendo puts out a hd-dvd version of the ns5 couple that with perhaps a large market share gain from hd-dvd before the ps3 even comes out and I think its a huge risk and they just can't write it off as by saying oh well we will just eat it and keep the ps3 how we would have made it with out bluray can result in a huge dud .
jvd said:
JVD, if Sony wants blu-ray to succeed, Playstation needs Blu-Ray - it's just that simple.
And as far as a tiered approach by Microsoft down the line, it won't be a big deal for Sony, since pretty quickly the price for them to produce those blu-ray drives in house will approach the cost of a regular DVD-ROM drive in terms of manufacturign costs.
First comment isn't true . It can succed with out it . Dvds succeded with out it and dvds were a factor of why the ps2 beat the dc .
As for the price of blu-ray . We don't know how cheap they can produce a blu-ray drive and when / if they will cost as little as dvd drives .
Last i heard the drives were still harder and more epxnsive to make than hd-dvd and the media is too . Hd-dvd is more than dvd . Dvd drives have been produced for what now a decade ? Blu-ray wont drop that uickly over night .
Brown noser.xbdestroya said:
Anyway, Toshiba needs the X2 to have an HD-DVD drive WAY more than MS needs the same. Any losses MS accrues (sp) from packing HD-DVD drives is offset with... nothing. Sony is in an entirely different boat.Except that won't be the choice. It will be BluRay or not and the other stats won't change. And in 2-3 years those gamers might be feeling pretty good about being able to watch Spiderman 3 in 1080p at home without spending another couple hundred on a standalone player.
This will be my last comment as neither of us will change the others mind .
1) It was a choice now that sony made for us . Is it a correct choice ? I dunno but based on the ps2 i can say that after its 3rd year no one cared that it played dvds as you could get a player for 100$ or less
2) You might be able to watch spiderman 3 , but can you tape the new season of lost with your ps3 ? No . When the ps3 comes out in 2006 is there a chance you can get a write able hd-dvd set top box for alot less ? Mabye . IN 2007 you might be able to get one for less than a 100$
Is it the right choice ? who knows ? Is it nice ? Sure , as a gamer would i rather have better hardware ? of course . Does it put sony in a weaker position ? Mabye . It may be a case where the ns5 is more powerfull and cheaper because of bluray in the ps3 and the xenon close to its power but cheaper to produce also . Which would put sony at a disadvantage in a price war .
anyway good night all
Sony didn't make a choice for anyone. They're not going to force you to buy it.
Okay so BR is apparently an albatross for the PS3 so they will have to overcome it.
Has any console ever had enough RAM or horsepower? You could always have more. But they have to ship product at some point and they put together the features and components they think is the best set for the target price point and the target ship date.
Okay so BR is apparently an albatross for the PS3 so they will have to overcome it.
Has any console ever had enough RAM or horsepower? You could always have more. But they have to ship product at some point and they put together the features and components they think is the best set for the target price point and the target ship date.
I do care that PS2 is able to play dvd's,jvd said:
otherwise may games would ship on several CDs. I rather play a game without having to swap discs mid game.
I think many games would not have even been possible if PS2 did not play dvd's.
Good night jvd, sleep tight and have nice dreams.
jvd said:
Well, I guess I'll make this my last comment on the subject as well.
DVDs succeeded because they were the only format choice of that generation (on the read-only side). That is not the case this time - it is Beta vs VHS all over again, and you better believe that Sony is going to do everything possible not to have another Beta. Being on the side of a format victory is a total cash cow.
DVD drives have been produced for over a decade, but the PS2 did in fact play a large role in greatly expanding the installed base, and the prices from there dropped pretty significantly.
AND, one last thought, I do indeed still use my PS2 as a DVD player.
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ram-wise Xenon might be going from poor ==== > to decent
ram-wise Xenon might be going from poor ==== > to decent
Personally i can't see how a BDROM drive can cost 4 times more than a DVD drive to manufacture. But what do i know...
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