a688 said:
Typical Divx/Xvid and stuff. But i can't play 2 or more of *any* kind of video...
First Cell demo (48 MPEG 2 Videos)
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Typical Divx/Xvid and stuff. But i can't play 2 or more of *any* kind of video...
Apoc said:
But it used to work before... Disable overlays? What's overlays anyway... :?
Apoc said:london-boy said:
Try old drivers.
Meh.. gotta love PCs...
On a not totally unrelated note, I hate PCs for this. I bought a music package (Cakewalk) and it didn't work properly. I tried everything but couldn't fix it. I needed a reinstall and it worked fine. Recently I need to reinstall my machine. Now .ogg playback stutters (tried JetAudio and just now, WinAmp) where before it worked fine on my machine
I had a pipe dream Cell would solve all this. I thought, if the processor could manage 1 teraflop, it could do everything. For a basic PC (not a games machine and not particularly gaming friendly) you could lose all the soundcards, graphics cards etc, lose all the hardware drivers, and just have a software engine for everything. Every program would be written for the same hardware. My music program would use software synths. My ray-tracer would buzz through rendering. My music playback wouldn't stutter because there aren't any wierd things going on to mess it up.
Okay, a lot of these problems are OS based, but overall I think once that level of performance is reached it potentially solve a lot of problems. I hope Sony come up with a decent OS for Cell...
I had a pipe dream Cell would solve all this. I thought, if the processor could manage 1 teraflop, it could do everything. For a basic PC (not a games machine and not particularly gaming friendly) you could lose all the soundcards, graphics cards etc, lose all the hardware drivers, and just have a software engine for everything. Every program would be written for the same hardware. My music program would use software synths. My ray-tracer would buzz through rendering. My music playback wouldn't stutter because there aren't any wierd things going on to mess it up.
Okay, a lot of these problems are OS based, but overall I think once that level of performance is reached it potentially solve a lot of problems. I hope Sony come up with a decent OS for Cell...
Shifty Geezer said:On a not totally unrelated note, I hate PCs for this. I bought a music package (Cakewalk) and it didn't work properly. I tried everything but couldn't fix it. I needed a reinstall and it worked fine. Recently I need to reinstall my machine. Now .ogg playback stutters (tried JetAudio and just now, WinAmp) where before it worked fine on my machine
I had a pipe dream Cell would solve all this. I thought, if the processor could manage 1 teraflop, it could do everything. For a basic PC (not a games machine and not particularly gaming friendly) you could lose all the soundcards, graphics cards etc, lose all the hardware drivers, and just have a software engine for everything. Every program would be written for the same hardware. My music program would use software synths. My ray-tracer would buzz through rendering. My music playback wouldn't stutter because there aren't any wierd things going on to mess it up.
Okay, a lot of these problems are OS based, but overall I think once that level of performance is reached it potentially solve a lot of problems. I hope Sony come up with a decent OS for Cell...
Man don't say that, or, in 10 years time, it will be used against you, like Bill Gates saying we'd never need more than 640KB RAM.
Shifty Geezer said:On a not totally unrelated note, I hate PCs for this. I bought a music package (Cakewalk) and it didn't work properly. I tried everything but couldn't fix it. I needed a reinstall and it worked fine. Recently I need to reinstall my machine. Now .ogg playback stutters (tried JetAudio and just now, WinAmp) where before it worked fine on my machine
I had a pipe dream Cell would solve all this. I thought, if the processor could manage 1 teraflop, it could do everything. For a basic PC (not a games machine and not particularly gaming friendly) you could lose all the soundcards, graphics cards etc, lose all the hardware drivers, and just have a software engine for everything. Every program would be written for the same hardware. My music program would use software synths. My ray-tracer would buzz through rendering. My music playback wouldn't stutter because there aren't any wierd things going on to mess it up.
Okay, a lot of these problems are OS based, but overall I think once that level of performance is reached it potentially solve a lot of problems. I hope Sony come up with a decent OS for Cell...
You do realize that even console software has bugs as well. Different hardware won't solve a software/programming problem. Only better programmers will. Most problems with playback (and most other software problems) occur becuase people install a lot of crap programs which destroy previous settings (ie: codec packs with a billion differnent rare shitty codecs which it, in of itself is a problem, how many different codecs do you need, and spyware).
london-boy, what changed around when you noticed the difference. Also to disable overlay, disable hardware acceleration (go to display properties -> Settings, click on "advanced", go to the troubleshooting tab and dial the slider all the way to the left (none). This is also how people get screenshots w/ WMP.) You could try to remove all codecs that you know are installed, reboot to make sure everything is cleanedup and install defilerpak http://hellninjacommando.com/defilerpak/ . What media player(s) are you using for playback.
True, as I said too when I mentioned OS is a lot to blame. But the fact remains multiple hardware types causes troubles. NWN is a classic game for system specific bugs. Played NWN and enjoyed it. Upgraded my graphihcs card and it wouldn't run (crash out after a few random minutes). Upgrade my Mobo and it runs. It's notorious for problems with certain soundcards too. I don't know how much is their fault, the OS's fault, the driver writers fault, etc, but when (if) we have a unified platform at least the hardware conflicts become a thing of the past. A bug can be traced to the software, and not left as an untraceable conflict. Maybe. I live in hope
Ty said:PC-Engine said:Of course the comparison isn't 100% valid. That wasn't the point which you obviously don't get.
The programmers understand but you don't.
Lol. That's why he said, "It's a stupid comparison".
I'm still waiting for you to contribute something worthy to this thread other than one liners. You're like a little boy whos trying to get attention while the adults are talking.
If you don't have anything to contribute because you're incapable of understanding the subject then just walk away. I know it's your time of the month but please get a grip.
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You say this:
...and then follow with this?!
Surely, you must be referring to "adults" other than yourself. It doesn't matter if you follow with cute little smilies when you do the manuever you just did. This was just pathetic and hypocritical. Likewise, as you actually suggest someone else "walk away", do consider that your words are equally applicable to yourself. eh?
PC-Engine said:I'm still waiting for you to contribute something worthy to this thread other than one liners. You're like a little boy whos trying to get attention while the adults are talking.
...and then follow with this?!
If you don't have anything to contribute because you're incapable of understanding the subject then just walk away. I know it's your time of the month but please get a grip.
Surely, you must be referring to "adults" other than yourself. It doesn't matter if you follow with cute little smilies when you do the manuever you just did. This was just pathetic and hypocritical. Likewise, as you actually suggest someone else "walk away", do consider that your words are equally applicable to yourself. eh?
And? I've contributed information worthy of discussion understand? Doesn't matter what kind of style I post in. Jumping into an adult conversation without anything worthy of discussion not to mention ignoring what two programmers are saying is ignorance and denial. You are wrong, get over it, walk away.
Uh why should I just walk away when I've been contributing worthy information to this thread from the very beginning? It's like school. There's always that one annoying kid that comes late to class interrupting the students with dumb questions that have already been addressed prior to him arriving. There's a place for that. It's called GA forums.
randycat99
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Why should you walk away? Your own suggestion gives you the answer. You dropped the bar for "adultness" and maturity by taking cheap digs (as pointed out in your recent reply). Surely, you would aspire to follow the same rules you suggest onto others?
We don't need you to tell us whether your contributions to the discussion have been above board, informative, and/or true, btw. Let the reader decide. If you have a point or you are just spreading FUD, that will be evident to the reader as they comprehend the material at hand, not because you claim so. As for your impression of how contributive you have been, don't be so sure...
Your charicature of the "annoying kid in school" is most entertaining, to be sure.
We don't need you to tell us whether your contributions to the discussion have been above board, informative, and/or true, btw. Let the reader decide. If you have a point or you are just spreading FUD, that will be evident to the reader as they comprehend the material at hand, not because you claim so. As for your impression of how contributive you have been, don't be so sure...
Your charicature of the "annoying kid in school" is most entertaining, to be sure.
randycat99 said:
Two programmers who know what they're talking about basically agree with my theory. That's all that matters in the end. You can spin it any way you like, call it FUD, it's your choice in looking ignorant. Whether readers without the necessary comprehension level agrees or not is irrelevent. Kids don't teach physics.
BTW there's a difference between an annoying kid who doesn't know what he's talking about and one that does.
PC-Engine..I'm a programmer and I don't 'believe' in your 'theory' since it's based on a flawed comparison and makes too many flawed assumptions (you just ignore everything doesn't fit with your preconceived thesis)
Are you happy now?
Where are moderators when you need them?
Are you happy now?
Where are moderators when you need them?
nAo said:
Well if you have valid reasons why my theory is flawed, then please enlighten me assuming you completely understand the theory.
Give some valid examples why it's impossible so that other programmers can agree/disagree.
I'm waiting for your answer...if you have one. If you were a competent programmer without bias, you'd be able to achieve what was proposed. Good programmers find ways, bad programmers find excuses. BTW what would be your answer if somebody does get ~ 40 DVD streams running on a dual core HT P4??? Just remember that this theory is not even close to a 1TFLOPS CELL dream.
Yeah, you're so smart we can't hope to understand your theories, you know.PC-Engine said:[
Well if you have valid reasons why my theory is flawed, then please enlighten me assuming you completely understand the theory.
I recall you we're still laughing at those 'real time' madden shots
C'mon genious!
Regarding this discussion you avoided to analyze the bandwith it's needed to decode, to ouput and to downscale 48 dvd streams.
Even if a processor A can play 4 streams in 1/4 of a frame you can't just assume it can play 16 streams in one frame.
If you have 48 SDTV streams you output 48*640*480*4*25 bytes per second. then you have to read them and downscale them to 1920*1080.
So you need (48*640*480*2 + 1920*1080)*4*25 = 3 Gb/s
I don't count compressed streams bandwith cause it's small.
Can a moden P4 based system sustain such bandwith in a real world application?
I don't know but this is not what this discussion is about, right?
Moreover I don't believe such a demo could completely tax a CELL CPU running at 3/4 Ghz as I mentioned before.
I don't need you to tell me if I'm competent or not.
Who do you think you are?
I'd answer that somebody has probably forgot to downscale all the streams.
So what?Just remember that this theory is not even close to a 1TFLOPS CELL dream.
The problem with you PC-Engine is that you have a hyper-sensitivity to appearing to be wrong. I was even nice in my initial post when I referred to the comparison as "silly" even though one of the two programmers you rely on (who definately knows his stuff as well or better than 99% of us) called it a "stupid comparison".
Before that response, however, was Faf who was trying to let you know nicely that you were ignoring OUTPUT bandwidth, which I brought up as well and did NOT chide you on whatsoever.
And now we have nao who is saying the same.
Why you have to be so infantile, I do not know. To think, I used to defend you somewhat in PMs because I felt you could bring interesting thoughts to the table. Now it seems that nearly every topic that is pruned or locked has your hands all over it. Frankly, it is through the behavior of folks such as you, that will cause the Console forum to be shut down. And what a shame that will be.
Before that response, however, was Faf who was trying to let you know nicely that you were ignoring OUTPUT bandwidth, which I brought up as well and did NOT chide you on whatsoever.
And now we have nao who is saying the same.
Why you have to be so infantile, I do not know. To think, I used to defend you somewhat in PMs because I felt you could bring interesting thoughts to the table. Now it seems that nearly every topic that is pruned or locked has your hands all over it. Frankly, it is through the behavior of folks such as you, that will cause the Console forum to be shut down. And what a shame that will be.
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