Final confirmed Jan NPD's

[spwolf]

Considering a 5 week month for a system the just launched I would say it is bad performance. That is around 50k a week very very weak for the big dog of console gaming. The PS3 should be riding a launch momentum wave like the 360 and Wii.

again, 360 sold less during the launch... And again, it costs 50% more.



of course a lot of that comes from the fact that MS couldnt produce 360 in serious numbers, and another fact that they had to keep replacing units, but thats MS's problem... Just an reason, not an excuse.

 

[Carl B]

@spwolf: First, welcome to the forum. Second, please don't come into this thread for the express purpose of message control and to do battle. This thread is already going to be a big source of contention as people across the web have been posturing for weeks to make their points today. The calmer the thread can remain, the better.

 

[inefficient]

PS3 library looks fairly dry too for the forseeable future, when is the next AAA title scheduled?? I guess we're looking at Holiday 07 for HS and MGS?

Should be out Spring 2007:
Ninja Gaiden Sigma
Lair
Devil May Cry 4

Motorstorm is next month.
Plus a couple PSN DLX games.

Also you can look at it from a Blu-ray movie perspective too. Alot of the big hitters from Disney and Sony will start showing up the spring.

I seriously doubt MGS4 will be out this year. HS probably will. But we have precious little information about the progress of that game.

 

[scooby_dooby]

Launch to date, PS3, while being 50% more expensive, sold more than 360 in its intial sales period.

Does that make it better? Or was it supposed to outsell 360 by 10x to make it acceptable? .

Well considering Sony is supposed to move 6 MILLION units by march according to their own predictions, no that doesn't make it better at all. In fact, it's just plain poor numbers, no amount of spin will change that.

 

[spwolf]

And you're wrong on your second point, if you count WW sales, MS continues to increase it's overall lead. PS3 sales in JPN are equally poor, at a mere 80-90k/month. MS ships 50% of it's consoles to EU, so it's safe to assume it sold ~150k there this month, and in JPN 360 has been posting ~25-30k/month recently.

statistically, Euro has always sold more of PS brand than Xbox, so that should show in March.

I think that, after all the negative press, of evil Sony and crappy PS3, of no games, no BD movies, of all the (made up) problems, fact that USA+JPN is gaining on 360, is major success.

Looking back, I dont think there was ever an product that got such bad press, and mostly for invented reasons, from people who never tried it out.

I wouldnt have been suprised if PS3 completly bombed in Jan.

 

[quest55720]

again, 360 sold less during the launch... And again, it costs 50% more.



of course a lot of that comes from the fact that MS couldnt produce 360 in serious numbers, and another fact that they had to keep replacing units, but thats MS's problem... Just an reason, not an excuse.

Well considering last january that the 360 had the same sale the ps3 did this january with 1 less week would make me say that MS produced serious numbers. Ms just could not keep up with the huge demand for the 360. The only console I can think of not supply constrained this early is the gamecube and we know how that went. Demand for the PS3 is weak plain and simple you can spin it all you want the bottom line is people have rejected sony's pricing.

The champain must be flowing at MS head quarters right now. I don't think this can be stated enough MS just handed sony its first defeat in a decade on the console front.

 

[spwolf]

@spwolf: First, welcome to the forum. Second, please don't come into this thread for the express purpose of message control and to do battle. This thread is already going to be a big source of contention as people across the web have been posturing for weeks to make their points today. The calmer the thread can remain, the better.

apsolutly... I am already in my "very nice" mode.

 

[inefficient]

PS2 had horrible launch games yet was sold out for months, I don't think a console with such a strong brand, that has been 7 years in the making, should need games to sell over 1mill consoles in the US in the first 3 months.

PS3:$500-$600 vs PS2:$300. What is hard to understand? It's twice as expensive. It's unreasonable to expect similar performance.

Considering it's price, it's managing very well. In worldwide cumulative sales it's much better than the 360's performance at this stage. And it has not even launched in Europe yet.

This is about as good as Sony could have hoped for at this price point. And they should not drop the price until Nov 07.

 

[scooby_dooby]

Well considering last january that the 360 had the same sale the ps3 did this january with 1 less week would make me say that MS produced serious numbers.

It's amazing how things change...

Last year, the debate was about how horrible 360's launch was, how they 'missed their opportunity' by being supply limited, and how it was one of the worst launches ever in the US because of lack of supply.

Now, people somehow frame the PS3 sales as 'solid' because they exceed the admittedly supply limited 360 launch.

 

[Jacob]

The issue with PS3 is mainly games.

The issue with PS3 right now is pretty much everything.

From the high price point to the lack of games (and more worryingly, apparent lack of third party support); from the inferior multiplatform titles to the delayed launch and bad planning; from the mixed bag tech to the lackluster sales. You name it.

I've never seen such a dominant powerhouse, like Sony was in the videogame market, throw the towel like this before. A full year of bad news after bad news. It's surreal. And now that both Microsoft and Nintendo have positioned themselves in the market, I don't see what Sony could do to turn the tide.

 

[quest55720]

PS3:$500-$600 vs PS2:$300. What is hard to understand? It's twice as expensive. It's unreasonable to expect similar performance.

Considering it's price, it's managing very well. In worldwide cumulative sales it's much better than the 360's performance at this stage. And it has not even launched in Europe yet.

This is about as good as Sony could have hoped for at this price point. And they should not drop the price until Nov 07.

Sure no one expected the PS3 to sell like the PS2 but everyone and their mother fully expected the PS3 to lay the smack down on the 360. People have gone as far as predicting the PS3 catching the 360 in america this year. Well sony better pray blue ray works out because blue ray cost sony having another PS2 type of market share.

 

[scooby_dooby]

PS3:$500-$600 vs PS2:$300. What is hard to understand? It's twice as expensive. It's unreasonable to expect similar performance.

Is it really? 360 moved 1.8million in the last 3 months, predominantly at $399. Is it really unreasonable to expect the brand new Sony, which had a 5:1 advantage in install base, to move at least 1.5-2million @ $499 before becoming supply limited??

Not to mention it's the cheapest BR player on the market?

Where did all these arguments dissapear to??

 

[quest55720]

It's amazing how things change...

Last year, the debate was about how horrible 360's launch was, how they 'missed their opportunity' by being supply limited, and how it was one of the worst launches ever in the US because of lack of supply.

Now, people somehow frame the PS3 sales as 'solid' because they exceed the admittedly supply limited 360 launch.

I remember those threads around here like that. What a difference a year can make. This day is a victory for the consumer IMO.

 

[Skrying]

Rejection of over priced items, reception of new change of focus in the gaming market. Nice.

 

[spwolf]

The issue with PS3 right now is pretty much everything.

From the high price point to the lack of games (and more worryingly, apparent lack of third party support); from the inferior multiplatform titles to the delayed launch and bad planning; from the mixed bag tech to the lackluster sales. You name it.

I've never seen such a dominant powerhouse, like Sony was in the videogame market, throw the towel like this before. A full year of bad news after bad news. It's surreal. And now that both Microsoft and Nintendo have positioned themselves in the market, I don't see what Sony could do to turn the tide.

i dont quite follow here. What lack for 3rd party? Inferior multiplatform? Mixed bag tech? Hm.

You do realize that within an month, Sony won major victory and secured BD as future format of choice for HD movies? Thats just month after it was released, despite relativly huge lead HD-DVD had.

And then it still managed to sell better than 360, despite lack of games....

Seriously though, you can call Sony and PS3 what you want, but it is definetly not mixed bag tech.

 

[ninzel]

Anyone who's an insider care to make prediction on how this will change early Wii 3rd party support if it all. Or are devs still going to take a wait and see approach?

 

[nonamer]

Not quite what I expected for PS3, but I guess it can't be helped. Luckily, all of it's problems are transitory (high price, lack of games, lack of "hype", etc.) whereas all of it's opposition's problems are more or less permanent (no next-gen media, no built-in HDD, etc.) I still expect a PS3 victory when its all said and done. Xbox 360's strength is a bit surprising, and could mean good things for MS in the US market. It is possible, perhaps even likely, that there will be a fight for number 1 in the US, but its weakness elsewhere should still give the ultimate win to Sony. As for Wii, it's impressive in the sense that PS2 is impressive, which is to say it hardly matters at all. It could be fully expected that it does well immediately but it's also fully expected to fall by the wayside later on.

 

[Rangers]

I'm just wondering if this type of lacluster sales in US/Japan will lead to any desperate $100 price slashes by Sony on PS3 anytime soon.

Probably not until at least after the Europe launch..

 

[nonamer]

Anyone who's an insider care to make prediction on how this will change early Wii 3rd party support if it all. Or are devs still going to take a wait and see approach?

I expect Wii to become a last-gen port box, or more specifically a PS2 port box. I doubt very many exclusive games are coming to the Wii considering the continuing strength of the PS2 as well.

 

[spwolf]

Sure no one expected the PS3 to sell like the PS2 but everyone and their mother fully expected the PS3 to lay the smack down on the 360. People have gone as far as predicting the PS3 catching the 360 in america this year. Well sony better pray blue ray works out because blue ray cost sony having another PS2 type of market share.

And at the same time, a lot of people predicted that Sony wont be able to sell any PS3's .

It really depends on the content. This level of sales, without content, is pretty good, IMHO.

It means that with content, it might get much better.... And soon enough, we are getting 15 new games, quite few blockbuster movies, and Japanese are getting their mech game, so we will see.

What happens next?

Well for one, once Singstar gets released in Europe, PS3will certainly catch up with MS there, even this year.

Question is if Japan+USA can catchup with 360 sales, and it really depends on Japan a lot I think. Decent sales there will give huge boost to PS3's overall sales.

And what happens this year, will determine 3rd party behaviour for the future...