EU PS3 = Software PS2 Emulation
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PS3 Games yes, Movies no, PS2 Games... no(?)
It seems that Sony wouldve been smarter to launch PS3 with disastrous BC back in November( just as good/bad as XBox360), and then make it gradually better (each time getting positive response). Atleast judging from those comments
This only makes sense in the context of a price cut coming up. But if I was hard core Euro PS fanboi I'd be more than a little pissed, because it looks to me like they want to stick it hard to that class by selling them less function at the same price, and then cut the price not much later to broaden appeal. If it came at the same time as a price cut it'd be a lot more palatable for many people. Doing it this way tho is really abusing a class of folks. . .
Unfortunately, PS2 and PSone games are not region free :/
Off topic, but the price isn't proportionately any higher here than with any of the other systems.
i.e.
PS3 = $600/€600
Wii = $250/€250
360 = $400/€400
(With exceptions in each case in some countries were the prices are higher, like my own). Everyone is ripping off Europe to that extent, if you don't accept the explanations as to why we don't get a straight $ to € conversion, or something close to it.
Geo - once the US and Japanese markets eat through existing stock, they'll also be paying the same price for less..it's not a specifically European 'abuse', if you want to put it that way. I'm sure this will contribute toward the first price cut, though...and maybe this might indicate that it'll be coming sooner rather than later, if Sony is implementing this part of their cost-cutting sooner than we might have expected.
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Agreed the price is roughly the same when tax is factored in, but I see the uproar over paying the same but getting less functionality. Not to mention the likelihood of a pricedrop soon based on this cost savings.
Any chance this is a "hdmi gone", "hdmi back" scenario? In other words announce a "downgrade" followed later by an "upgrade" back to the original spec to produce psuedo good news at launch?
@GEO
If a price cut is eminent, why would a gamer buy the launch unit if it has no advantage in BC?
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So do I, but once old US/JPN stocks are exhausted that probably won't be the case any more. You can be sure any new models going to the US or Japan are the same now. It's just a pity Europe never got a chance at the old model at all..at least if it was available for a couple of months, people for whom exhaustive BC compatibility is very important could have picked one up in that time.
tongue_of_colicab
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I dont think the euro ps fans are really pissed. I also visit some other dutch forums and basically not one fanboy is pissed, atleast they dont show it. They just go: Ah well, it probably wont be that bad, and if it is they'll fix it with a firmware update. Or: I dont really care about BC anyway.
Zero, these should be on a boat somewhere, Sony must have known this for some time, like months..
What surprises me and actually makes me angry is that bragged about the BC feature (which they just fixed). I´m not on the boat of people that always thinks Sonylies i consider must of their PR just what it is PR. But this is as close as you get to a lie when a promised feature is being cut, a feature that has real actual value and use, unlike the 2 HDMI ports.
I'm surprised by this, I would have thought they would have waited until at least next year before changing the PS3 to remove hardware B/C.
The number of titles supported doesn't sound too positive and from their press release it doesn't sound like that they will be putting a great deal of effort to adding more games to their B/C list.
Unfortunately we still don't know what titles they'll be supporting, and I don't know if withholding the B/C list until the PS3 has been released is a good idea, as I'm sure some people will want to know if the games they have are supported before buying a PS3. I understand obviously that they're still working on improving the number of games supported and releasing an early list might give a bad impression. But for me I was hoping to sell the PS2 to offset the cost of the PS3, but now I'm not too sure (there are still games I enjoy going back to play on the PS2).
That said if B/C supported the top 200 highest rated games or top 200 most popular games on the PS2 that might satisfy people. It would certainly cover all the games I've got (although I'm sure it's rather unlikely to work out like that).
The number of titles supported doesn't sound too positive and from their press release it doesn't sound like that they will be putting a great deal of effort to adding more games to their B/C list.
Unfortunately we still don't know what titles they'll be supporting, and I don't know if withholding the B/C list until the PS3 has been released is a good idea, as I'm sure some people will want to know if the games they have are supported before buying a PS3. I understand obviously that they're still working on improving the number of games supported and releasing an early list might give a bad impression. But for me I was hoping to sell the PS2 to offset the cost of the PS3, but now I'm not too sure (there are still games I enjoy going back to play on the PS2).
That said if B/C supported the top 200 highest rated games or top 200 most popular games on the PS2 that might satisfy people. It would certainly cover all the games I've got (although I'm sure it's rather unlikely to work out like that).
Rainbow Man
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Problem with that is it ISN'T getting cheaper..
If they'd dropped say €50 off the price for cutting the PS2 hardware then I would think people wouldn't care so much. Heck it might have netted them a net gain in potential customes and good PR.
I can't see how cutting features while keeping everything else the same will gain them anything other than resentment though.
Peace.
Because that's what early adopters do. They're used to the idea they are trading price for bragging rights. Usually not quite this blatantly tho.
I feel for you EU guys with large ps2 libraries, but in all, the biggest thing I would take out of this from a consumer perspective is think to myself:
"Price cut is around the corner, I'll wait a month or two".
or
"My back library isn't holding me to a platform, let me consider my options"
...perhaps a combination of the two.
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I didn't mean to imply the dual HDMI feature. I was refering to:
ps3 is hdmi =>
no hdmi for 20gb "core"=>
hdmi for 20gb "core"
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short story:
A buddy of mine at work thought the same thing regarding BC holding him to the PS platform. I told him, "Your ps2 isn't going anywhere is it? If you want to play those games just leave the ps2 connected and power it up." He saw Gears and it tilted the scale for him for xb360. I asked him how his RE4(ps2) game was going (he got it late) and he told me, "I can't play low-def games anymore, they hurt my eyes".
Consider this guys, your ps2 games will likely be shelved after getting a ps3/xb360 anyway. (assuming hdtv)
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Blazkowicz
Legend
When are they coming? Link?
DuckThor Evil
Legend
The main reason i´m getting a PS3 at launch is Blu-Ray, i will download and try games from the store and see what they bring me, and buy whats good.I own 2 PS2´s anyway and one is connected so it´s not the BC that is the problem. The reason i´m angry is the borderline lying on this feature, in principle it means very little to most people (especially those with modded
) but as a PR stunt it´s stupid, stupid stupid... give us what you said you will, cut features when your BC software has matured and you reduce prices.
Okay, are Sony producing two different mobo's then? Is BC going to be maintained in US and Japan releases of PS3, but dropped from the EU? And the only reason for dropping BC is to lose the extra hardware and save money, which means the platform is cheaper to make. Yet we get the higher price. Bad in every single way.