Entitlements not like Xbox Achievements?

[Acert93]

It's All About the Entitlements by Panajev at Neogaf.com

A system of license ownership and transferance? This seems to go back to the old rumor (that Sony debunked?) about cutting into rental and resale of games?

Interesting patent stuff, although I would like to hear some other opinions on what this means and whether we can expect this to materialize or not.

Ps - Is this the same great Panajev on our forums? :smile: If yes it would be great to get a short overview and synopsis of what he thinks this patents means, for consumers, if they execute it on the PS3/PSP.

 

[nintenho]

yeah modding would go insane then.

 

[Crayon]

I read thru that last nite. Depending on how much of that patent is implemented, Entitlements are less like marketplace points and more like bonkers.

A disc has a serial which is associated with the user's ID and the PS3 units ID on first use. If taht disc shows up somewhere witha diferent combination of ID's the origional owner, no matter where they are, would have to confirm that the new user is rightfully the new owner. The article points out that there are fields in the patent that refer to both the exchange price for the disc, which could be zero, and the transfer fee, which could also be zero.

It's nuts. And there's alot of what if and fuzzy spots in it. Gets the gears turning if you have 15 minutes to read it.

 

[archie4oz]

A system of license ownership and transferance? This seems to go back to the old rumor (that Sony debunked?) about cutting into rental and resale of games?

Well that's the definition of entitlement. Whether if affects rental and resale of games is another issue.... Dunno why people would associate it to Xbox Achievements...

 

[BlueTsunami]

I'm not sure what to think about it.

If it benefits the Developer, than it sounds good but there are some complaining about privacy of the consumer and what they do with a product after they've bought the game.

I think it could be considered a slippery slope, just like Microtransactions (not the same concept but I'm speaking on how they both could spiral into something bad).

 

[Titanio]

A system of license ownership and transferance? This seems to go back to the old rumor (that Sony debunked?) about cutting into rental and resale of games?

That other patent was about preventing resale period, whereas this one would actually make Sony party to the resale, thus they could take a slice (like Gamestop does currently).

 

[nintenho]

That other patent was about preventing resale period, whereas this one actually makes Sony party to the resale, thus they can take a slice (like Gamestop does currently).

I don't get how sony has the copyrights to the games. They get royalties but they don't do anything for you when you resell.

 

[Titanio]

I don't get how sony has the copyrights to the games. They get royalties but they don't do anything for you when you resell.

The publisher owns the copyright, but this has nothing to do with copyright.

 

[nintenho]

The publisher owns the copyright, but this has nothing to do with copyright.

So they can only do this with permission from the gaming companies assuming they're going to charge for resells?

 

[Titanio]

So they can only do this with permission from the gaming companies assuming they're going to charge for resells?

Does Gamestop?

But a system like this could be opt-in/opt-out for publishers.

 

[ZiFF]

So they can only do this with permission from the gaming companies assuming they're going to charge for resells?

I´m sure publishers would take this system with tears of joy.

 

[nintenho]

Does Gamestop?

But a system like this could be opt-in/opt-out for publishers.

Yes, but gamestop buys whatever game you have and they sell them for you.

I´m sure publishers would take this system with tears of joy.

I know but just trying to figure out who to assign the guilt...

 

[Titanio]

Yes, but gamestop buys whatever game you have and they sell them for you.

And under a system like this the intermediary (priorly Gamestop et al) would be changing to Sony, and they would take a slice as Gamestop do, but they'd also be sharing that with the game's publisher. The user selling still gets their credit, the person buying still gets their game.

 

[ZiFF]

I don't think it is feasible in the near future. Needs 100% online penetratition or you lose sales.

Only Valve is doing similar stuff now.. but things are certainly heading that way.

 

[Titanio]

I don't think it is feasible in the near future. Needs 100% online penetratition or you lose sales.

Only Valve is doing similar stuff now.. but things are certainly heading that way.

I agree, generally on all of that. If something like this were to come in, it'd be introduced very incrementally. But look at the likes of downloadable transactions and the restrictions therein - that's the ultimate future, whether we like it or not I think.

 

[nintenho]

And under a system like this the intermediary (priorly Gamestop et al) would be changing to Sony, and they would take a slice as Gamestop do, but they'd also be sharing that with the game's publisher. The user selling still gets their credit, the person buying still gets their game.

you get less money or pay more. hopefully it doesn't happen though.

 

[Titanio]

you get less money or pay more. hopefully it doesn't happen though.

Don't see why that would happen? As it's a patent, there's lots of blanks to fill, but a seller could possibly set their own price, or select from a number of options, but since it's a one-to-one transaction between buyer and seller (in the same way that, say, an eBay transaction is, at least) they could presumably sell it for however much the buyer was willing to pay.

 

[ZiFF]

That patent makes no mentions about entitlements.

 

[patsu]

Hm.... if they want to benefit from resale, just do a marketplace for old games.
If they want to benefit from referers (users selling to other users), just do a simple affiliate mechanism.

There is no need to track usage of games since in US, this would be a major consumer issues. Also if the system is too complicated, it will cost too much to maintain.

 

[Inane_Dork]

I'll believe Sony should get a cut from the sale of every used game when they buy, house and sell every used game.