***E3 speculation thread***

Which console do you think will have the best showing at E3?

  • PS2?

    Votes: 236 100.0%

  • Xbox?

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Gamecube?

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    236
That's funny. Same thing was said about Halo. I even told people that they'd sell more copies of that game on a console (and it's still selling). That' the entire reason why Half life on a consle first will make loads of cash for the publisher/developer. Hopefully it supports Xbox live.

Everyone and their brother will pirate half life 2 on PC to play the single player section of the game.
 
my gaming tastes have long since outgrown most of what they can offer me
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First, lemme say that I'm sorry for going off-topic.

As for this quote, that's all well and good. What are you incinuating though? That Nintendo makes games that all adults are too old for (in your opinion) or just that your tastes aren't in line with the type of game Nintendo offers? I'm guessing the latter, but after the hypocrisy I've heard from people in forums like this.. I can never be too sure. Y'know? :)

Last I checked.. Zelda 64, MP, and ED were the only Nintendo games you've mentioned in a positive tone.. so I'm guessing that you didn't actually grow out of them. You just only like their more adult-oriented software. Am I right? :)

Like I said before, it's 95% nostalgia
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While I can connect with your first quote (I understand that after so long, one can get tired of kid-friendly games) this is basically as Teasy stated. A flimsy excuse that only fan-boys make. You're not a diehard fan-boy, so why post stuff like this? Sure, Nintendo games offer a lot of nostalgia for older gamers.. but as I said before.. it's the actual games that kept Nintendo in business while the 3rd-parties fled the N64. It's the fun factor that made Super Mario Sunshine get high scores and awards from publications despite its poor presentation. It's the fun factor that made Metroid Prime a GOTY candidate, and OoT the highest rated game of the past 10 years. There's no nostalgia to be had in quirky games like Earthbound (that I've heard a lot of people bash on XG) but there is a good deal of fun factor.

'Course, none of it is universal. People have different tastes, and we have to accept it. Not berate them and their preferences.. as people like Chronic, Oronll, and all of these other jackasses do. Geez.

I would drop my GameCube like a hot rock if I didn't enjoy the 1st-party games.. :D
 
The explain why Metroid Prime sales have petered out after only 3 months... Obviously the average gamers sees something lacking in this game that got 96% review scores everywhere (due to nostalgia).
 
Johnny Awesome said:
The explain why Metroid Prime sales have petered out after only 3 months... Obviously the average gamers sees something lacking in this game that got 96% review scores everywhere (due to nostalgia).
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So you're saying the same people who are the reason that pure crap like State of Emergency or all those unimaginative yearly rehashes like the n-th iteration of Tony Hawk's are selling like crazy are more capable of rating a game than professional gaming-journalists? I think you're overestimating the abilities of the average gamer a bit...
 
thats a substantial blow to this year's XB lineup :? Good news indeed :devilish:

As far as E3, N will own it. They always do...most likely due to nostalgia :D ;)
 
did we a least agree on which one had the best showing of the last E3 ?

who has the best showing = an opinion not a fact...

i suggest we do the same pool after the E3 so we'll see which votes have changed, if any.
 
Magnum PI: Everybody had a good E3 last time out, albeit I'd say Nintendo's was less special than usual.

Mostly just game showings, not announcements.

Despite this.. SMS, MP, MF, and Zelda:WW were widely considered to be among the best games on display.
 
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WHERE?!
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EGM ran a ~six page(IIRC) article on it a few months back(have to dig through my back issues to see exactly when). New gameplay features were covered, the graphics engine, story line etc.
 
Online publications are in the business of recommending games to consumers. Therefore Metroid Prime is highly overated, since most online sites rated the game WAY higher than the general gaming population would.

By the way, Tony Hawk still gets great reviews and sells well. State of Emergency got poor reviews and petered out. The reviews were fair and reflected average tastes well enough.

Nintendo benefits from the nostalgia factor. Look at the review scores. They're ridiculously high. Tons of people are still play GTA and Halo. Who's still playing SMS that got it in August? Almost no one. The scores should not be the same. SMS was WAY overated by sites. Try and be a little objective...

When I rated GUNVALKYRIE I gave it an 8.5/10, told the readers to drop 2 points if they didn't have the patience to learn the difficult controls, and to add a point if they really love Sega action games. This gave the necessary information to make a purchase decision.

Super Mario Sunshine should have gotten 8.5/10 with a note that huge Mario fans might want to add a point just for the nostalgia, and that people who hate quirky cameras and limited controls might only consider the game to be a 7/10. This would have been a lot more accurate.

Of course, there are reviewers who think their job is to be an "art critic". I believe the job of the reviewer is to inform the consumer on whether or not he might want to part with his hard-earned cash.
 
Johnny

Given your current comments your hardly the one to tell anyone to be objective.

For every reviewer that might allow nostalgia to cloud there judgement into giving a higher score you could equally say there would be one reviewer that would do the opposite. For instance they see Mario's whole series with rose tinted glasses and so no new Mario game can live up to that. This is why this whole nostalgia thing makes no sense at all. It is just an excuse.

Why try to argue with what 140 reviewers thought of MP and make excuses for it? Its not a conspiracy, they just loved the game, simple as that. Why not just say you didn't like the game that much and leave it at that. The same goes for Mario Sunshine.

Metroid Prime hasn't sold quite as well as its reviews suggest it should because game quality alone does not equal sales. Game quality is only one part of what makes a game sell. Metroid Prime's quality alone ensured that it sold brilliantly (right up there with SC with a smaller user base). But to sell better it needed better advertising, and of course a larger user base would have helped too. If game quality alone equaled sales then that would make GTA:VC the best game of 2002, do you think it is?

BTW, Metroid Prime just received GOTY at the Game Developers Conference, which is voted on by game developers themselves.
 
Then a lack of nostalgia explains why gamerankings has a 96% rating for MP from reviewers and an 8.2 rating from users. :rolleyes:

I will admit the obvious. MP was crap. It's a great looking, nicely atmosphered, well thought out piece of crap, but that doesn't make it what it's not: a game that interests people because there is something that will make them not want to put it down. I can put MP down quite easily thank you very much. And in case you're wondering about anticube bias my GC offering to the video game gods right now is Ocarina of Time.

Now slightly more on topic: would a Half-life 2 exclusive be enough to garner the top spot in and of itself for MS or will it need at least one more. Is that enough to bring the remaining PC gamer market into their fold?
 
Basically the user ratings score at GameRankings comes down to how many fan-boys from each console decide to vote on it. It just so happens that Metroid Prime got an absolute swarm of fan-boys from other consoles giving it 1's out of 10 (175 of them to be exact). Likely because Prime eclipsed there own beloved games in reviews.

Metroid Prime is crap? Yeah that's why it has GOTY awards from loads of sites as well as GDC also giving it GOTY. Oh and a little matter of having the second highest review scores ever.

Your not even making sense AFAICS, it looks great, its very atmospheric, its really well thought out.. yet its a piece of crap?

overclocked

I do have the Freeloader but I've decided not to buy the U.S version of MP and instead to wait for the improved European version.
 
Mark and Johnny: I can't say that I agree with your opinions on this matter whatsoever.

Just Mr. Know-It-All Cicero: Ooo, MP scored 8.2 in user ratings on Game Rankings. Not only is Teasy right in saying that people gave the game 175~ 1/10's (prolly without playing the game or just joking around) but if you'd open your eyes.. you'd see that the rest of the top 10 games (and beyond) scored no higher than the 8's according to users as well. Even the hallowed OoT got something like 8.5/10 according to Game Rankings users.. right?
 
The point is that neither the professional reviewers nor the user reviews at Gamerankings.com really reflect the quality of Metroid Prime. No one will be playing this game a year from now. Conversely, there are many people who play GTA and Halo even now.

For the record, I'd give Metroid Prime about an 8.7/10 right now. Every so often when I'm playing, the game spikes up to a 9/10 or so, but then it will wear thin after and drop back down. I'm still only at 36% and I got it the week it launched. It's just not that compelling. Haven't finished Mario either.

Eternal Darkness and Starfox were compelling though. Ocarina of Time is really nice too. I'm playing that for the first time right now on my Cube and find it deserving of the praise it has received.

I remember when Shenmue got straight 9+/10's too. Although I personally loved it, it's pretty clear that there was enough lacking in Shenmue to turn people away from Dreamcast. If Nintendo didn't have the GBA and gobs of cash from the last generation they'd be sitting in Sega's shoes right now. :(
 
Johnny Awesome said:
For the record, I'd give Metroid Prime about an 8.7/10 right now. Every so often when I'm playing, the game spikes up to a 9/10 or so, but then it will wear thin after and drop back down. I'm still only at 36% and I got it the week it launched. It's just not that compelling. Haven't finished Mario either.
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I'm the same, though I'm not even as far as you. Not too many games can keep me playing anymore, out of the 17 Xbox and GC games I own I've only beaten four; Halo, RSC, Splinter Cell, and MechAssault(only reason I beat this was to get the mechs). There are a bunch that I'm about 90% done with though.
 
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