DVD group proposes copy ban
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This should prove an entertaining waste of the courts time. 
They want to control your every moves, thoughts and actions, so I'd say that, yeah, they're from Atlantis... Or Hollywood. Both solutions work here.
I wish they'd stop wasting their money trying to get sham legislature threw and just invest it in inventing a mind ray to control our thoughts with.
Not a cult group or something out of Atlantis. They are a group of companies tired of having their IP pirated. Quite often their (re)actions dont sit well with a segment of the population out there.
epic
You guys obviously haven't been following these folks antics, logic & the scope of what they propose are just beyond their own comprehension.
Yeah, it would ban about every DVD burner ever made. No, they couldn't enforce it without pissing off a whole bunch of people.
It's stupid, plain and simple. Draconian, over-the-top greed at its finest.
Yeah, it would ban about every DVD burner ever made. No, they couldn't enforce it without pissing off a whole bunch of people.
It's stupid, plain and simple. Draconian, over-the-top greed at its finest.
I imagine that this would only be the case if the provided software for the dvd writer allowed bypassing dvd protection. More than likely you'll see the "basic" burning software just not include that type of feature.
epic
I doubt many people will even notice. Unless Im mistaken, Kaleidescope isnt a very popular program, and it seems is the only thing that has been effected? I could be mistaken on that last point.
I don't think this has anything to do with DVD writers... copying encrypted DVD is already a breach of the license terms. The proposed new terms is about "media centers," devices which can copy your encrypted DVD to an internal hard drive to let you view them later without the DVD discs. They want to outlaw these devices.
Just as stupid. I have no clue what it is trying to accomplish, the idea that such a move would hurt piracy is just stupid. Stupid.
Bouncing Zabaglione Bros.
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It's designed to do an endrun around the court case they just lost to Kaleidoscope. They intend to change the licensing for eighteen months in order to make Kaleidoscope's business model a breach of the DVD licensing agreement, so they can sue for breach of contract and put Kaleidoscope our of business.
This way they enforce and control DVD playback mechanisms to exactly how they want. Once again they do this to play both ends against the middle by insisting that buying copyright is not about the physical media, but about the rights to view the IP. Then they use technological means to ensure the IP you've bought the rights to view are in fact tied to the physical media only.
The media cartels simply fear all kinds of electronic distribution or storage, and that includes copies of IP that you've already licensed just because you want to store it electronically on a video jukebox. That would lead to the idea that once you've bought the rights to an IP, you should be able to transfer it to different formats, and that's something the media cartels want to be able to charge you for. They also want to be able to monetize everything else you currently take for granted as a fair use right, such as time or space shifting, format shifting, backup copies to keep your original safe, replay use etc.
Trying to put Kaleidoscope out of business is just about maintaining control over what the customer can do, in this case by destroying any products that allow a more flexible use of the IP you've paid for. Instead the customer is stuck with the IP purely on the media format on which the cartels choose to deliver it to you.
I cant find any flaws in your post, the only thing I would mention is that what apple did to music, might also happen with movies/dvds. You now see companies posting a rise in non-drm'ed music sales (EMI), if other music publishers follow suit this will be a good blow against heavy handed tactics used by the Movie/DVD cartel.
Bouncing Zabaglione Bros.
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It's possible, but I think it's not so likely. The media cartels are too greedy. It comes down to several main things:
1. Reuse. The media companies made a heck of a lot of money in the 80s and 90s, first by selling you all the stuff you alreasy bought on vinyl/tape on CD, and then again by selling you all the VHS stuff you bought on DVD, all at a time when we had a fraction of the other markets now competing for our money. It no accident that to become a hardware licensee to Blu-Ray/HD-DVD, you have to stop producing standard DVD players within two years.
The cartels want to sell you a new version not just for your next-gen player, but also for your Ipod, your car, you child's Ipod, etc. Their dream vision of the future is a pay-to-play model where you are charged every time you want to play movies or music, want to pause or rewind, take a copy round to your friends for a movie night, move a copy to anywhere or anywhen. You won't own the music, you'll pay for all your current fair use each and every time across multiple platforms. You won't just pay for moving to a new format, you'll pay for every instance.
2. Hardware tie in. In addition to the above, the cartels would like to tie you in to their proprietary players. Not just more control, to gain more money in their pockets. You've seen that start of that in Vista's non-allowance of virtualisation (because it breaks DRM), and Zune's payment for each bit of hardware sold and crippled DRM.
3. Control of the artists. The cartels are basically middlemen. They've shown on many occasions (some of which they've been prosecuted for) that they will do anything to keep control of the market. Their nightmare scenario is that they get cut out of the loop. A band could put a downloadable album on their website for a quarter of the standard retail price, and still make five times the profit they would get from the cartels. All technology that might facilitate that situation is attacked by the cartels.
Until the cartels realise that they can't continue to have their snouts in the trough, that they can't continue to cheat artists and the public alike, they can't spout morality whilst behaving in an immoral way, that their business model is extinct and in need of changing, I don't see things being different.
These are large conglomerates run by bean counters and old businessmen who are just interested in making more cash by keeping the status quo. They refuse to accept the world has moved past them, just as they did with compact tapes, CDs, VHS, MP3 players, the Internet, etc and every new advance that has ever arrived in the last fifty years. All the problems they cry about are always everyone else's fault, and nothing to do with the way they run their industries.
As someone who has seen the inside of these cartels, I simply have no faith that the people at the top have the understanding of today's modern, media-connected world, or the foresight necessary to change their companies for the better. They are too focussed on their own greed, and have forgotten about giving either their artists or their customer what they want.
How can any industry survive if their business model is one of simply cheating their suppliers and customers, at the same time as not offering what either their suppliers or customers want? Despite their gangs of lawyers and congressmen, the last few years have proved that you can't legislate people into buying your products if you're not producing things they want.
Aerows
Regular
BZB, fantastically well put.
If they actually spent time developing their business model, and cultivating their customers rather than alienating them 95% of this would not even be an issue. Quietly raise your hand if you have ever thought about downloading something ( or *did*) you already own simply because you can't find the physical media, or because you need it in a different format? That is illegal despite all of the talk about it being the rights you are buying.
Of course they want to ban DVD writers, BD burners - they'd like to mindwipe you immediately after you watch a film/hear a song! (though that might improve the freshness of some of the crap that has been put out lately, but I digress....)
If they actually spent time developing their business model, and cultivating their customers rather than alienating them 95% of this would not even be an issue. Quietly raise your hand if you have ever thought about downloading something ( or *did*) you already own simply because you can't find the physical media, or because you need it in a different format? That is illegal despite all of the talk about it being the rights you are buying.
Of course they want to ban DVD writers, BD burners - they'd like to mindwipe you immediately after you watch a film/hear a song! (though that might improve the freshness of some of the crap that has been put out lately, but I digress....)