Detonator 50 benches here!
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Joe DeFuria
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Wow! the Det50s are 2.5X faster than the det 4x's with 2X AA and pixel shaders!
(Translation...when will people learn to properly construct a graph! )
(Translation...when will people learn to properly construct a graph! )
Wow, quality online journalism there. Nice second graph that starts it's scale at 24, ends up showing a massive difference between 26 and 29 FPS.
And you know what, I'm thinking it may have been intentional. Have a look closely at the X axis in the second graph. Note the 2 squares that are inverting the colours of the graph. Looks to me like the X was selected, because someone decided to modify it's scale.
And you know what, I'm thinking it may have been intentional. Have a look closely at the X axis in the second graph. Note the 2 squares that are inverting the colours of the graph. Looks to me like the X was selected, because someone decided to modify it's scale.
Typedef Enum
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The community is good
I was just getting to rip the unqualified person who constructed these graphs a new a-hole, but have obviously been beaten to the punch.
I might also add that the next time DX9 is going to be tested, how about using several different benchmarks. Furthermore, I'm _hoping_ that the Shadermark author will also do a little bit of that "rearrange the shaders" action between the time those drivers surface and the time the online press puts out their respective articles.
I was just getting to rip the unqualified person who constructed these graphs a new a-hole, but have obviously been beaten to the punch.
I might also add that the next time DX9 is going to be tested, how about using several different benchmarks. Furthermore, I'm _hoping_ that the Shadermark author will also do a little bit of that "rearrange the shaders" action between the time those drivers surface and the time the online press puts out their respective articles.
Bouncing Zabaglione Bros.
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Nvidia needs to put more cheats in. And maybe change the scale of the graphs a little more so it looks like a few more frames is actually quadroupling the score.
For a company that supposedly has a good rep for it's drivers, Nvidia sure have a lot of accidental "bugs" in their drivers. Luckily, they only seem to increase the scores on benchmarks...
For a company that supposedly has a good rep for it's drivers, Nvidia sure have a lot of accidental "bugs" in their drivers. Luckily, they only seem to increase the scores on benchmarks...
Joe DeFuria
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xGL said:A bad graph is better than no graph at all
Yes, please don't take this as us shooting the messenger.
AMDMB has come up with a Detonator 51.75 driver comparison as well using UT2003, 3D Mark and X2 Bench
http://www.athlonmb.com/article-display.php?ArticleID=257&PageID=1
http://www.athlonmb.com/article-display.php?ArticleID=257&PageID=1
Bouncing Zabaglione Bros.
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xGL said:
Wow! PS2 goes up by nearly 10 frames per sec! And a lot of the other scores go up by 2-6 fps! That kind of massive improvement will make all HL2 style games instantly playable on NV3x! All bow down to the greatness that is Nvidia! You came through again! I want to have your babies Nvidia!
Alternatively: Big fat hairy *YAWN*.
People, PEOPLE! I think you're missing the big news here!
The new dets outperform the old dets by almost a full inch and a half!!!
The new dets outperform the old dets by almost a full inch and a half!!!
Bouncing Zabaglione Bros.
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digitalwanderer said:
No doubt there will be a Nvidia PR announcement advising that we set our screen sizes to 320 x 480 in order to see the full optimisation increase to nearly four inches. The new marketing by-line will be:
"320 x 480 - The Way It's Meant To Be Displayed"
I will not comment on how they achieved such an improvement but my guess is that it has to do with Pixel shader 1.1 and 1.3. (they change the code whenever possible for the card to do 1.1 or 1.3 instead of 2.0 : they call it an "optimisation" since the end result looks almost the same, but you're not running 2.0, so yes it is STILL a cheat).
nVidia did say after all :
Yay, let's go back to DX8 specs instead of DX9!
If DX8 shaders are so much better, why should we buy their super DX9 cards when DX8 cards are so much better ?
Also I've heard of nVidia changing all of it's precision down to 12bit in these new drivers. Only time will tell but you'll be sure to see sites like , Beyond 3D or Extreme tech telling us more about this
nVidia did say after all :
Yay, let's go back to DX8 specs instead of DX9!
If DX8 shaders are so much better, why should we buy their super DX9 cards when DX8 cards are so much better ?
Also I've heard of nVidia changing all of it's precision down to 12bit in these new drivers. Only time will tell but you'll be sure to see sites like , Beyond 3D or Extreme tech telling us more about this
I'm gonna speculate my way out on a limb again...
The results from the X2: The Threat probably provides the best indication of what to expect from these drivers in hl 2. I say this because X2 runs dx 8, which is what fx cards will be doing in hl 2.
What's the performance gain? About 5% :?
If hl 2 performance while running a dx 8 path is boosted by more than that, there's probably something fishy going on...
edit: of course, this says nothing about dx 9 performance. But nVidia already has talked about dropping precision and going back to dx 8.1 "with no image quality loss."
The results from the X2: The Threat probably provides the best indication of what to expect from these drivers in hl 2. I say this because X2 runs dx 8, which is what fx cards will be doing in hl 2.
What's the performance gain? About 5% :?
If hl 2 performance while running a dx 8 path is boosted by more than that, there's probably something fishy going on...
edit: of course, this says nothing about dx 9 performance. But nVidia already has talked about dropping precision and going back to dx 8.1 "with no image quality loss."
digitalwanderer said:
<laughs> Damn, that caught me while I was drinking. You bastard!
He's working on Shadermark 2.0. See www.shadermark.com . Here's an extract:Typedef Enum said:
Sounds nice, doesn't it?
Mintmaster
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Jokes aside, I think these benchmarks are rather useless. Gunmetal, while DX9, doesn't have any PS 2.0 shaders (I think only PS 1.1, and they're probably minimal). And we all know that 3DMark2003 shader performance has been severly skewed by hand-tuned shader replacement, and in no way represents real shader performance anymore.
Eventually, someone will do benchmarks on lesser known shaders, say something from Humus or other independant coders. Even ShaderMark has app-specific shader replacement thanks to HardOCP.
The problem is that anyone doing real PS 2.0 development probably works on a 9800
Eventually, someone will do benchmarks on lesser known shaders, say something from Humus or other independant coders. Even ShaderMark has app-specific shader replacement thanks to HardOCP.
The problem is that anyone doing real PS 2.0 development probably works on a 9800
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