Death to everything Symantec-related!

Guden Oden

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Imagine you get a small window popping up on your screen as you use your computer quite normally, announcing that an internal error has occurred in Norton Antivirus 2004, and that the program needs to be uninstalled and reinstalled (!)...

Imagine that you follow the advice to the letter, but that after completing the install procedure and reboot, and the following liveupdate, the computer gives a blue error screen on the second reboot that flashes by so fast it can't be understood except it is not a standard windows bluescreen (different font), and then the computer resets.

Imagine you restart in safe mode and do a system restore and then bitch at symantec phone support and get the advice to completely uninstall the virus program, because the uninstaller uninstalls it only slightly. The uninstall procedure is like 15 steps long and the only step that is somewhat automatic is the reg file that clears out the registry of antivirus-related entries (all 50 million or so of them).

Imagine you follow all those steps and then re-install the program again (but not before having made a fresh system restore point just in case), only to have it crash the same way AGAIN, except now after the second liveupdate session... Wee-eelll, by now you should be fairly ticked off.

Then imagine bitching at tech support again only to have them say, "it's either an error with NAV or with windows", and no hope of fixing it other than directing you to customer service to get a weblink to re-download the program from teh intarweb again.

...If all that really happened, you'd be pretty fucking pissed off I bet.
 
I've been screwed by NAV so many times. The only real way I've found to uninstall it for good is a clean windows install (format first).

I still have NAV on my home computer because I'm not ready to go through a format install. Every computer at my company, however, is now running Sophos and I vastlly prefer it. We're also using their PureMessage spam filter which is good too.

I've got one machine where the user "uninstalled" NAV prior to installing Sophos. Thanks to NAV crap left behind it takes about 20 minutes to boot. I'm too lazy to format that one too.

NAV is nasty stuff.
 
Not sure for 2004, but for Nav 2003 you could download a utility to full uninstall it (yeah, I know...) :

See here

Actually, found 2004 version - see here.
 
There is no such utility for the 2004 version; only the 15-or-so-step procedure that still seems to leave crap behind somewhere preventing the program from running properly.
 
before we kill anything symantac related. Can we kill the sofware pirates too. I mean they are the ones that pushed software developers to add such silly and ridiculous anti-theft procedures. I think symantac should take care not to alienate their customers but i also feel sorry for them.

epic
 
i recommend not to use any symantec or norton software at all.
it's all old crap getting polished each year with a new gui. the antivirus engine is at least two years old...and so on...
it's long ago that symantec's products have been of good quality.
 
Yeah, I've been bitten by Norton in the past. It got itself into a state where it wouldn't update automatically, nor do anything else automatically.

Stopped using it and went for F-Secure instead.
 
The only good thing that was ever made from norton is the original commander and the old disk doctor.

I use BitDefender as my virus scanner, it's free (including virus definition updates). And instead of Ghost and Partition Magic i use True Image and Partition Expert.
 
epicstruggle said:
you seem like a very hateful kinda guy. so im sure youll be perfect for the job. ;)

Now why would you say that? It was YOU who wanted to start KILLING people, all I said was "death to", which isn't nearly the same thing. :devilish:

Anyway, there's been a few suggestion of alternatives to Symantec's (obviously flawed) product, is there any consensus out there on what's "best"?

Thop, I just DL'd Bitdefender and the site says it's not free at all. :D I'm still gonna evaluate it though, because virus definition updates is one of those things I'll happily pay for (well OK, not HAPPILY, but you know what I mean. :LOL:)
 
I'm sorry to have to say it but bitdefender seems to suck bum!

It uses far too much CPU for my taste, and it runs up the CPU to 100% for like 10 seconds when I start OE and check my email, that simply is not acceptable. Everything feels more sluggish with it running, guess I'll be uninstalling this within not too long a period of time. Bleh.
 
I wouldn't know because i don't use any on access scanners. I just scan my system from time to time or suspicious files directly. I think i read somewhere that NAV and Kaspersky have the fastest on access scanners.

PS. V7 is free, it appears there is no free edition of V8 yet.
 
personally i use NOD32 and i am more then happy with it.
i heard about it on some forums, then i had some trouble with my comp, downloaded it, tried it....and bought it.

its really nice.
i remember Norton, it was so resource hungry i couldnt surf the net normally.

http://www.nod32.com/home/home.htm

if anyone wants to give it a try.
 
NAV 2004 is a major f'up. I've fallen back to 2003. Had the same problems and frustrations described in this thread, only worse, becuase believe it or not they've actually "improved" their advice. For months their help on the issue was just a cheery "Beats us! Check back again later in case we figure it out." (Okay, so not exactly, but pretty close).
 
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