Death penalty

[epicstruggle]

Ok, so they just caught joseph smith who apparently kidnapped,..., and killed carie brucia. more info at http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/South/02/06/missing.girl/index.html. Anyways, I was just listening to john walsh of americas most wanted tv show. He said that it will take 14 years on average for justice (if its death penalty) to be carried out. Now i know many are against it.

But my question is this, when there is no denying that the person is guilty, should there be an express death penalty?? Something where the person would have many of his options denied, as long as the trial is properly handled.

Look here is some of the evidence against this guy: Taped kidnapping the girl, tape showing getaway car (owned by suspect), he bragged to someone about what he did, evidence of carie in car, and after an autopsy there might be evidence in the girl. I dont think anyone would be able to say he didnt do it.

later,
epic

 

[K.I.L.E.R]

The death penalty is far too kind.
If I were Joseph Smith I would be praying for the death penalty.

A good punishment would be to force criminals to work in the mines.
They can live and work in the mines like slaves.

Either that or use criminals in some way that benefits the government/country/community.

In the past we used to send criminals to war.

Maybe we can just ship them off to Cuba as slaves?
The countries government rakes in the interest and aslo couples with less liabilities in the long run.

 

[epicstruggle]

The death penalty is far too kind.
If I were Joseph Smith I would be praying for the death penalty.

A good punishment would be to force criminals to work in the mines.
They can live and work in the mines like slaves.

Either that or use criminals in some way that benefits the government/country/community.

In the past we used to send criminals to war.

Maybe we can just ship them off to Cuba as slaves?
The countries government rakes in the interest and aslo couples with less liabilities in the long run.

We used to have chain gangs (we might still) where chained prisoners are required to clean up highways, dig ditches and the like. But I believe many liberals feel this is to cruel/unusual of a punishment. Too bad we can torture that bastard to death. I just hope the little girl didnt suffer for too long.

later,
epic

 

[kyleb]

the fact that he did something sick and perverse is no excuse for you to have your your sick and perverse fantasies enacted on him. however, our legal system is completely screwed up as it is. as it stands his actions will wind up costing taxpayers hundreds of thousands of dollars.

 

[epicstruggle]

the fact that he did something sick and perverse is no excuse for you to have your your sick and perverse fantasies enacted on him. however, our legal system is completely screwed up as it is. as it stands his actions will wind up costing taxpayers hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Yes, lets give criminals more right than victims. That will certainly solve all our problems.

later,
epic

 

[kyleb]

i am in no way suggesting granting him any extra rights under our laws, i am simply discounting the validity of your moral relativism.

 

[epicstruggle]

i am in no way suggesting granting him any extra rights under our laws, i am simply discounting the validity of your moral relativism.

i dont know what problem people like you (bleeding heart liberals) have. Seems simple enough:dont kidnap, torture, rape, and then kill children because if you do youll get tortured to death. The tortured to death part is my idea of a fitting sentence. doesnt seem complicated.

later,
epic

 

[Blade]

Agreed, Epic/KILER. Chain gangs are a good option, and military/community service are good.

I'm not sure if I agree with the idea of torturing prisoners, ala Saddam, but I do believe in the death penalty.

You intentionally kill somebody, you're no use to society. Bam.

 

[K.I.L.E.R]

Is that what they are called? Chain gangs.

Yes, I believe criminals should repay their depts to society and their victims.
If it will take a lifetime for them to do so, so be it.

Of course, the criminally insane should be kept in mental hospitals.

 

[notAFanB]

But my question is this, when there is no denying that the person is guilty, should there be an express death penalty?? Something where the person would have many of his options denied, as long as the trial is properly handled.

sure, as long as you can ensure that the first part can be performed I don't see why not.

The tortured to death part is my idea of a fitting sentence. doesnt seem complicated.

no torture, leave that to religion.

 

[epicstruggle]

Of course, the criminally insane should be kept in mental hospitals.

agreed, but what about prisoners that are sane and while waiting for the death penalty become mentally insane. Should they still be executed. I say yes, what do you think?

later,
epic

 

[Humus]

i dont know what problem people like you (bleeding heart liberals) have. Seems simple enough:dont kidnap, torture, rape, and then kill children because if you do youll get tortured to death. The tortured to death part is my idea of a fitting sentence. doesnt seem complicated.

So what do you do when you find that you have sent an innocent man to death? Torture the jury and court to death too? After all, they would be responsible for the death of an innocent man.

 

[epicstruggle]

i dont know what problem people like you (bleeding heart liberals) have. Seems simple enough:dont kidnap, torture, rape, and then kill children because if you do youll get tortured to death. The tortured to death part is my idea of a fitting sentence. doesnt seem complicated.

So what do you do when you find that you have sent an innocent man to death? Torture the jury and court to death too? After all, they would be responsible for the death of an innocent man.

Hey humus, if you read the first post, then you would have seen that the guy was taped kidnapping the girl, the car used was taped also, evidence of her was found in his car, whether there was dna(et al) found in her hasnt been released, plus he bragged about it to someone who told the police. So i cant see where he could possibly be not guilty.

Maybe where your from there's a group of people whose sole job is to incriminate innocent people of horrific crimes. Here we only make up whether you have wmd's.

later,
epic

 

[RussSchultz]

Of course, the criminally insane should be kept in mental hospitals.

No! Then they may escape and threaten Metropolis!

 

[kyleb]

Agreed, Epic/KILER. Chain gangs are a good option, and military/community service are good.

I'm not sure if I agree with the idea of torturing prisoners, ala Saddam, but I do believe in the death penalty.

You intentionally kill somebody, you're no use to society. Bam.

lol funny thing is i agree with all that too, but if, like me, you are also against the whole torture fetish; then apparently you are also a bleeding heart liberal in epicstruggle's book. granted i suppose it is easy to consider anyone a bleeding heart liberal when your ideology lies somewhere to the right of Henry VIII.

*edited for proper punctiation, more than a few times

 

[John Reynolds]

Of course, the criminally insane should be kept in mental hospitals.

No! Then they may escape and threaten Metropolis!

That would be Gotham, dumbass.

 

[Blade]

Kyle: Yeah, I can see that in your initial post. I don't think we should torture anybody.

It sounds like it'd be truly eye-for-an-eye, but should we sink to their level? No! Just knock them off for their crime in a peaceful manner (which might be a blessing to them more than a curse) or make them work.

They don't deserve the benefits of life that they denied to their victims.

Note: This only applies to definite murder suspects. If there's a lingering ambiguity after the sentencing, death isn't an option.

 

[UPO]

i dont know what problem people like you (bleeding heart liberals) have. Seems simple enough:dont kidnap, torture, rape, and then kill children because if you do youll get tortured to death. The tortured to death part is my idea of a fitting sentence. doesnt seem complicated.

If we are talking about breaking his human rights, well there is better idea:He should be killed without pain and his body should be used to help saving others life (heart and other organs in transplant etc.)
But there is always a chance he is innocent - if we killed him we would be no better then him

 

[epicstruggle]

i dont know what problem people like you (bleeding heart liberals) have. Seems simple enough:dont kidnap, torture, rape, and then kill children because if you do youll get tortured to death. The tortured to death part is my idea of a fitting sentence. doesnt seem complicated.

If we are talking about breaking his human rights, well there is better idea:He should be killed without pain and his body should be used to help saving others life (heart and other organs in transplant etc.)
But there is always a chance he is innocent - if we killed him we would be no better then him

So if i take someone against their will and inprison them in a small cell for years on years. Then the law/society shouldnt stoop to my level and do the same to me, right????

later,
epic

 

[Clashman]

Note: This only applies to definite murder suspects. If there's a lingering ambiguity after the sentencing, death isn't an option.

That's the whole problem right there. What is "lingering ambiguity", and how does it apply to cases which aren't smattered all over the television 24/7. What creates "definative" proof? Camera footage, DNA evidence, Eyewitness testimony, signed confessions, blood evidence? In all seriousness, most of these things have been mistaken, faked, misinterpreted, or forced in the past.