Crossfire PDF

[weeds]

According to Patti they recieved it from an AIB.

You didnt by chance notify Patti as to what was happening here about this document?? I think yes and I giggle like a school boy as Dave rushes to put out ati's fire, typical and predictable.

What's typical and predictable is your denial of nvidia's past and present dealings of this nature.

LOL, I guess I had a brainfart because I cant remember my denial of nvidia's past and present dealings of this nature. What I can remember is the PDF that went to reviewers Stateing full trilinear. The pony show one on the 6600 Gt And the BS bingo one was funny. Oh and the Ati crossfire preview screenshots. Both Companys are more than capable and proven to produce such PR FUD.. Ive leared to deal with it I suggest you do too.. Im also entitled to my opinion on where the pdf came from. And Dave did answer for himself which was fair enough...

 

[Xmas]

Any comments on this? Straight out cheating?

Just a side note: you really have to wonder why some people seem incapable of applying proper pixel zoom

 

[trinibwoy]

What's typical and predictable is your denial of nvidia's past and present dealings of this nature.

Well to be fair, it's no different than the lack of criticism of ATi by those who have crucified Nvidia in the past for the same mis-deeds. It keeps the universe in balance

 

[CMAN]

I have noticed though that ATI PR has gotten worse since 9700 Pro. Nvidia has always been bad, but I'd say getting very slightly better since 5800 Ultra (but you can't get much worse than that). It saddens me though that ATI seems to be sinking to lower levels instead of focusing of great products. If they can't just let their product talk, then it shows they view their products with certain weaknesses. ie: people exaggerate when they are not fully confidant in a situation.

I know it's business, so I do not condemn either party.

 

[jb]

It saddens me though that ATI seems to be sinking to lower levels instead of focusing of great products. If they can't just let their product talk, then it shows they view their products with certain weaknesses. ie: people exaggerate when they are not fully confidant in a situation.

Well maybe they were tired of seeing their names slung around by NV all the time...so if you can not beet them..might as well join'em.... Maybe..

 

[Charmaka]

It saddens me though that ATI seems to be sinking to lower levels instead of focusing of great products. If they can't just let their product talk, then it shows they view their products with certain weaknesses. ie: people exaggerate when they are not fully confidant in a situation.

Well maybe they were tired of seeing their names slung around by NV all the time...so if you can not beet them..might as well join'em.... Maybe..

Yeah, but that's still not a smart move, from my POV at least. Staying above it earns you maturity points, and every time the opposition starts mud-slinging and you ignore it, you get even more respect. As soon as you descend to their level that all cancels out.

 

[WaltC]

All I can say is that if this actually is an internal nV memorandum it seems soley dedicated toward the brainwashing of nV employees and is written in an absolutely desperate if not frightened tone... If it comes out of nV then I conclude X-Fire's got them worried plenty.

The last page..."Remind you of the Rage Fury MAXX...?" is an almost comical remark as it is so silly (I see zero similarities.) Perhaps this is simply proof that having been largely rejected by the public the nV PR machine has now turned its attentions fully inward on nV itself...

 

[Geo]

Anybody notice the create date is 5/28, two days *before* CrossFire announcement??

That's pretty suggestive on its own. . .maybe this came from a partner they both have in common and that was clued in early? Maybe an NV mobo partner/ATI card partner (is there one, I would guess there is) looking to protect their mobo business and not overly thrilled by the less-than-partner-friendly master card requirements?

 

[trinibwoy]

The last page..."Remind you of the Rage Fury MAXX...?" is an almost comical remark as it is so silly (I see zero similarities.) Perhaps this is simply proof that having been largely rejected by the public the nV PR machine has now turned its attentions fully inward on nV itself...

Yeah I found that strange too. And maybe the B3D public (or just you ) has rejected Nvidia PR but it's alive and well in lots of other places. If it was rejected as you say, there would be no need for Crossfire now would there?

 

[Bouncing Zabaglione Bros.]

Yeah, but that's still not a smart move, from my POV at least. Staying above it earns you maturity points, and every time the opposition starts mud-slinging and you ignore it, you get even more respect. As soon as you descend to their level that all cancels out.

Well they've tried that before, and it doesn't really work. If the opposition is slinging mud around about your product, and you don't respond, it ends up that the only message that gets heard is what the opposition is saying.

Basically you get dragged down to their level if you don't want the public perception to be governed by what the opposition says about your products.

 

[Bolloxoid]

Is Patricia cute?

Oh, that's so tactful. Let's not concentrate on what a woman is saying, let's concentrate on her looks.

And when you are done with your public evaluation of company representatives' looks, please start a few more threads about your dick size. We all would like to hear some more on that.

Rev, you are a bounder.

 

[Dave Baumann]

I think tht was Rev's way of saying this particular course of discussion is not really important.

 

[PeterAce]

Demirug,

How did you come upon these annotations by "accident"? We are talking about over 3000 lines of "garbage" with no logical reason to search for any particular string of text in that "garbage". Is there something you are not telling us? It just seems completely weird that you would look through something with a hex editor after Acrobat Reader states there are no comments in the document. I am very curious how you happened upon these notes.

I am trained to find such things. Some say I am very good in this job. I am simply use my talent on this small document.

This is, after all, the man that found the vertical split capability of CrossFire a month or more before announcement, and so far as I know was the only person to predict it.

That "trained" is interesting tho. Industrial espionage? 8)

Also don't forget Demirug found out hints toward ATI's SM 3.0 (well before the GDC 2005 public info) and posted here in -'Hack the Catalyst and find a SM3 chip' thread :

http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=18952&highlight=caps

 

[WaltC]

Yeah I found that strange too. And maybe the B3D public (or just you ) has rejected Nvidia PR but it's alive and well in lots of other places. If it was rejected as you say, there would be no need for Crossfire now would there?

I'm not sure I follow you... Are you saying there's no difference between the PR nV generates about SLI and what an SLI deployment actually is and does? I rather think X-Fire is an adaptation on the part of ATi to Intel's dual-slot PCIex16 spec, don't you? If not, then what do you think SLI actually is, then? Generally, I like to keep my PR and my products separate...

It is certainly true that I rejected nV PR long ago, but that doesn't keep me from looking at nV products. In fact, I'd say that my wholesale rejection of nV PR claims and representations probably is of great benefit to me when I look at nV products.

 

[Geeforcer]

Walt, could I see the Intel's dual-slot PCIex16 spec you keep talking about?

 

[Reverend]

Is Patricia cute?

Oh, that's so tactful. Let's not concentrate on what a woman is saying, let's concentrate on her looks.

And when you are done with your public evaluation of company representatives' looks, please start a few more threads about your dick size. We all would like to hear some more on that.

Rev, you are a bounder.

Wow, you guys are sooo serious about this 3D interest of yours, huh?

Dave knows me better.

PS. What's a "bounder"? Is that like those big-sized guys outside clubs, like some kind of guard or something? Is that what this guy is saying I am?

 

[DarN]

That's a bouncer.

 

[Reverend]

Ah yes... brainfart this morning.

So what's a "bounder"?

 

[trinibwoy]

I'm not sure I follow you... Are you saying there's no difference between the PR nV generates about SLI and what an SLI deployment actually is and does? I rather think X-Fire is an adaptation on the part of ATi to Intel's dual-slot PCIex16 spec, don't you? If not, then what do you think SLI actually is, then? Generally, I like to keep my PR and my products separate...

Nope, what I'm saying is that the SLI PR from Nvidia is being lapped up by many people (whether or not they actually own an SLI setup just like there are people evangelizing Crossfire who will never own such a setup either and don't even understand how it works).

And no I don't think "X-fire" is an adaptation of Intel's dual-slot PCIe spec (which you have yet to elaborate on). It is simply ATi's very necessary answer to SLI. You really shouldn't feel compelled to romanticize everything ATi does. It should be enough that you try to crucify Nvidia at every turn.

 

[Geo]

Ah yes... brainfart this morning.

So what's a "bounder"?

A fellow who wears a Guards tie on Piccadilly and doesn't even know it's a Guards tie.

Don't ask me which cubbyhole of memory I yanked that out of, as I haven't a clue.

But anyway, "bounder" is English-english rather than American-english.