Coronavirus Pandemic (COVID-19) (SARS-CoV-2) [2020]
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Okay. So that's where you get Mayoral elections and the like in TV shows, you have multiple tiers of leaders. But the fact they can overrule each other makes that pretty awkward and must generate a general level of conflict. In the case of a pandemic, I'd have thought it'd go straight to the Federal level, but clearly not, making management incredibly difficult.
What's the legal relationship between the different levels? Is it clearly laid out which rules can and can't be overridden, or does it defer to the law courts every time?
Edit: your second post alludes to the latter, that it's not clear who exactly gets to define the rules and the judges are having to be asked which leader gets the final say.
Yeah, it's one huge mess and I'm not even sure I have it exactly correct.
Now as far as I understand it, even the court system has it's own levels that's more than just City / County / State / Federal. They also have Circuits and Districts in there, so coverage area may be larger than a county but smaller than a state. You can also have a Federal level decisions in one area (California/Washington or Ohio / Kentucky / Tennessee / F-Michigan) that have no impact on other areas (Texas / Mississippi or Florida / Alabama / Georgia). Conflicts in that level gets petitioned to the US Supreme Court, but they may not accept the case or make one decision and refer it back down to a lower level.
![OSC_AmGov_13_03_Circuits[1].jpg](https://forum.beyond3d.com/data/attachments/4/4301-fc795a75bb50f85d0fccb14af16aba28.jpg "OSC_AmGov_13_03_Circuits[1].jpg")
Now as far as I understand it, even the court system has it's own levels that's more than just City / County / State / Federal. They also have Circuits and Districts in there, so coverage area may be larger than a county but smaller than a state. You can also have a Federal level decisions in one area (California/Washington or Ohio / Kentucky / Tennessee / F-Michigan) that have no impact on other areas (Texas / Mississippi or Florida / Alabama / Georgia). Conflicts in that level gets petitioned to the US Supreme Court, but they may not accept the case or make one decision and refer it back down to a lower level.
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Sweden becomes an example of how not to handle COVID-19
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/sweden-becomes-an-example-of-how-not-to-handle-covid-19/ar-BB16P7Gx
Stockholm — Sweden is one of the richest countries in the world, and as nations started grappling with the coronavirus pandemic earlier this year, the Swedes took a totally different approach to their neighbors. While other nations quickly imposed lockdowns, Sweden allowed people to keep living largely as normal.
Stores and restaurants have remained open throughout the pandemic, as have elementary and middle schools.
The economy has still taken a serious hit, however, and now Sweden is being seen as a cautionary tale on the risks of allowing businesses to reopen too early.
The country's mortality rate from the coronavirus is now 30% higher than that of the United States, when adjusted for population size.
Swedish health officials believed a few basic measures, including limiting gatherings to a maximum of 50 people, would control the spread of infections — along with Swedish common sense.
Stockholm residents who Palmer met on the streets said they were trying to social distance, when possible, but face coverings are still a rarity. Taking a ride on Stockholm's subway, Palmer was the only one on the train wearing a mask.
Asked by Palmer how health care professionals could act in such a seemingly irresponsible way — essentially not to treating a patient — Gluckman said authorities in Stockholm seemed to decide early on that they weren't "going to treat this bunch of people."
She said without hesitation that she had "lost faith in the government," and in Sweden's public health authorities who have the direct responsibility for determining the country's coronavirus strategy.
"If there is one country in Europe where there will be a second peak, it will be most likely Sweden, because they're still not doing that much to really stop it," she said.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/sweden-becomes-an-example-of-how-not-to-handle-covid-19/ar-BB16P7Gx
Stockholm — Sweden is one of the richest countries in the world, and as nations started grappling with the coronavirus pandemic earlier this year, the Swedes took a totally different approach to their neighbors. While other nations quickly imposed lockdowns, Sweden allowed people to keep living largely as normal.
Stores and restaurants have remained open throughout the pandemic, as have elementary and middle schools.
The economy has still taken a serious hit, however, and now Sweden is being seen as a cautionary tale on the risks of allowing businesses to reopen too early.
The country's mortality rate from the coronavirus is now 30% higher than that of the United States, when adjusted for population size.
Swedish health officials believed a few basic measures, including limiting gatherings to a maximum of 50 people, would control the spread of infections — along with Swedish common sense.
Stockholm residents who Palmer met on the streets said they were trying to social distance, when possible, but face coverings are still a rarity. Taking a ride on Stockholm's subway, Palmer was the only one on the train wearing a mask.
Asked by Palmer how health care professionals could act in such a seemingly irresponsible way — essentially not to treating a patient — Gluckman said authorities in Stockholm seemed to decide early on that they weren't "going to treat this bunch of people."
She said without hesitation that she had "lost faith in the government," and in Sweden's public health authorities who have the direct responsibility for determining the country's coronavirus strategy.
"If there is one country in Europe where there will be a second peak, it will be most likely Sweden, because they're still not doing that much to really stop it," she said.
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You can read the entire articles in all my posts as I always include a link.
As for your statement "The death rate is roughly the same as the UK right now and less than the US." the article says "The country's mortality rate from the coronavirus is now 30% higher than that of the United States, when adjusted for population size."
According to Financial Times' tracker (https://ig.ft.com/coronavirus-chart...ative=0&logScale=1&perMillion=1&values=deaths) Sweden is below the US in current Covid-19 deaths.
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indeed, Sweden really came downwards in deaths once they put in protocols and aborted their original plan. I'm a bit surprised by the article, from different outlets I've read, some of their policies are stricter than here in Canada now.
You can add or remove countries on that list, up to 6 total, try this link to see that Brazil is soon to pass US on "total deaths" per captiva -- https://ig.ft.com/coronavirus-chart...ative=1&logScale=1&perMillion=1&values=deaths
What was the original plan? And what is stricter than in Canada?
got it! thanks, it's interactive, yea brazil is right there. man that logarithmic graph makes it look like countries are close lol. when they hella aren't.
Yeah, I missed a word in my reply.
I believe the original plan was 0 enforcement, just asking the civilians to do their best for social distancing.
IIRC by March they had surpassed Italy and Spain for death rate per million. And they looked to their neighbouring countries that were magnitudes less.
They started adding light rules afterwards, party size maximums etc.
We had a strict lockdown, we're opening up now, from what I understand now that we've opened up, some of our policies are not as strict as sweden, but that's taking it from a journalists mouth, I actually need to research it.
looks like even today as it is, nothing is stricter LOL.
we have mask enforcement here and still maximum party sizes. Most of our businesses are opening back up, but schools are now closed (well summer is on)
daycares have re-opened.
overall, pretty interesting to see. But yea, this story is only 1/2 way through the first year. Sigh.
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Sweden's high death rate in the same time frame may be because the disease has burnt out quicker.
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavi...s-suggest-according-to-swedish-study-12018799
Edit: That T-Cell result could mean even better news all round.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53248660
If applied to the UK, we presently have 40,000 deaths from an estimated 3 million infected going by antibody tests. That's 1.3% death rate. But if the number of infected is actually 2x that, that'd be 40,000 deaths from 6 million people, or 0.67% mortality.
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavi...s-suggest-according-to-swedish-study-12018799
I mean, obviously it's because it's burnt out quicker, but they may actually be fairly close to getting over the disease. 30% would be 5600 deaths from 3 million people. That's 0.056%. I think that's very optimistic, and we don't know how they are counting differently, but we can't gauge results until we know just how many people have actually been infected.
Edit: That T-Cell result could mean even better news all round.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53248660
If applied to the UK, we presently have 40,000 deaths from an estimated 3 million infected going by antibody tests. That's 1.3% death rate. But if the number of infected is actually 2x that, that'd be 40,000 deaths from 6 million people, or 0.67% mortality.
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Ohio's testing is at 26.1K for the day.
Ohio is at +1290 new cases, with Cuyahoga County at +201 new cases.
Test Positivity rate is around 4.94% for these new tests.
Ohio still has high number of new hospitalizations at +115 and ICU admissions at +21.
Here is the trends which is using reported date and not arbitrary and incorrectly identified user reported onset date. This graphic is resized by ~ 75% and taken from the State's Current Trends page: https://coronavirus.ohio.gov/wps/portal/gov/covid-19/dashboards/current-trends
Here is the raw data for the last few days, filling in the limited data that is available:
Ohio is at +1290 new cases, with Cuyahoga County at +201 new cases.
Test Positivity rate is around 4.94% for these new tests.
Ohio still has high number of new hospitalizations at +115 and ICU admissions at +21.
Here is the trends which is using reported date and not arbitrary and incorrectly identified user reported onset date. This graphic is resized by ~ 75% and taken from the State's Current Trends page: https://coronavirus.ohio.gov/wps/portal/gov/covid-19/dashboards/current-trends
Here is the raw data for the last few days, filling in the limited data that is available:
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Date; Total Tests; New Tests; Tests per 1M Population; Total Cases; Cuyahoga County Cases; Hospitalizations; Total Deaths; New Cases; New Hospitalizations; New Deaths
2020-06-26; 718,086; 21,886; 61,433; 48,638; 6,287; 7,570; 2,788; 987; 68; 16
2020-06-27; 741,353; 23,267; 63,423; 49,455; 6,429; 7,624; 2,804; 817; 54; 16
2020-06-28; 753,246; 11,893; 64,441; 50,309; 6,571; 7,681; 2,807; 854; 57; 3
2020-06-29; 770,860; 17,614; 65,947; 51,046; 6,694; 7,746; 2,818; 737; 65; 11
2020-06-30; 784,362; 13,502; 67,103; 51,789; 6,831; 7,839; 2,863; 743; 93; 45
2020-07-01; 788,403; 4,041; 67,448; 52,865; 7,013; 7,911; 2,876; 1,076; 72; 13
2020-07-02*; 789,704; 1,301; 67,560; 54,166; 7,013; 8,038; 2,886; 1,301; 127; 10
2020-07-03*; 824,481; 34,777; 70,535; 55,257; 7,392; 8,084; 2,903; 1,091; 46; 17
2020-07-04; 844,675; 20,194; 72,262; 56,183; 7,571; 8,111; 2,907; 926; 27; 4
2020-07-05; 865,069; 20,394; 74,007; 57,151; 7,724; 8,172; 2,911; 968; 61; 4
2020-07-06; 877,688; 12,619; 75,087; 57,956; 7,883; 8,249; 2,927; 805; 77; 16
2020-07-07; 892,731; 15,043; 76,374; 58,904; 8,048; 8,383; 2,970; 948; 134; 43
2020-07-08; 911,905; 19,174; 78,014; 60,181; 8,277; 8,489; 2,991; 1,277; 106; 21
2020-07-09; 931,834; 19,929; 79,719; 61,331; 8,518; 8,570; 3,006; 1,150; 81; 15
2020-07-10; 955,697; 23,863; 81,760; 62,856; 8,786; 8,701; 3,032; 1,525; 131; 26
2020-07-11; 979,149; 23,452; 83,767; 64,214; 8,979; 8,770; 3,036; 1,358; 69; 4
2020-07-12; 1,002,463; 23,314; 85,761; 65,592; 9,208; 8,842; 3,058; 1,378; 72; 22
2020-07-13; 1,020,811; 18,348; 87,331; 66,853; 9,359; 8,915; 3,064; 1,261; 73; 6
2020-07-14; 1,039,767; 18,956; 88,953; 67,995; 9,509; 9,049; 3,069; 1,142; 134; 5
2020-07-15; 1,058,599; 18,832; 90,564; 69,311; 9,784; 9,209; 3,075; 1,316; 160; 6
2020-07-16; 1,084,732; 26,133; 92,799; 70,601; 9,985; 9,324; 3,103; 1,290; 115; 28Florida is at 315,775 with +13,965 new cases. They started this surge with only 57,447 cases on June 2, 2020.
Arizona is at 134,613 with +3,259 new cases.
Georgia is at 131,275 with +3,441 new cases.
North Carolina is at 93,426 with +1,939 new cases.
Louisiana is at 86,411 with +2,278 new cases.
Tennessee is at 71,540 with +2,479 new cases. They passed Ohio (70,601 total) and are nearing Virginia (74,431 total).
South Carolina is at 64,083 with +1,838 new cases. They are slowly approaching Ohio for total cases (possibly 2 weeks away).
Alabama is at 61,088 with +2,021 new cases.
Mississippi is at 39,797 with +1,230 new cases.
Nevada is at 31,915 with +1,447 new cases.
Oklahoma is at 23,441 with +628 new cases.
Arizona is at 134,613 with +3,259 new cases.
Georgia is at 131,275 with +3,441 new cases.
North Carolina is at 93,426 with +1,939 new cases.
Louisiana is at 86,411 with +2,278 new cases.
Tennessee is at 71,540 with +2,479 new cases. They passed Ohio (70,601 total) and are nearing Virginia (74,431 total).
South Carolina is at 64,083 with +1,838 new cases. They are slowly approaching Ohio for total cases (possibly 2 weeks away).
Alabama is at 61,088 with +2,021 new cases.
Mississippi is at 39,797 with +1,230 new cases.
Nevada is at 31,915 with +1,447 new cases.
Oklahoma is at 23,441 with +628 new cases.
Ohio's Public Health Advisory System updated with new counties entering Level 3. Press release at https://coronavirus.ohio.gov/wps/po...you-can-use/19-red-alert-level-three-counties
(COLUMBUS, Ohio)—Ohio Governor Mike DeWine and Lt. Governor Jon Husted today provided the following updates on Ohio's response to the COVID-19 pandemic.
UPDATED COUNTY RISK LEVELS
Governor DeWine announced today that new public health data has led the Ohio Department of Health to designate 19 counties as being in a Red Alert Level 3 Public Emergency as defined by the Ohio Public Health Advisory System.
Upgraded to Level 3:
Continuing at Level 3:
Athens County is also on Ohio's Watch List because it is closely nearing Purple Alert Level 4. Butler, Cuyahoga, and Hamilton counties were removed from the Watch List but the threat of exposure and spread remains high.
New counties upgraded to Red Alert Level 3 will be mandated to begin wearing masks in public beginning at 6 p.m. on July 17, 2020. Mask mandates will remain in effect in all counties continuing in Red Alert Level 3. Residents in Trumbull County are no longer required to wear masks in public, however, they are strongly encouraged to do so.
"As of tomorrow night at 6:00, nearly 60 percent of Ohio's population will be under a mask order, and I strongly encourage citizens living in other counties to wear masks in public as well," said Governor DeWine.
Detailed information on each Red Alert Level 3 county can be found on the Ohio Public Health Advisory System's website. The system was developed to provide local health departments, community leaders, and the public with data and information on the severity of the COVID-19 spread in the counties in which they live. The system consists of four levels with specific risk-level guidelines. Each level is calculated with data gathered on seven public health indicators.
(COLUMBUS, Ohio)—Ohio Governor Mike DeWine and Lt. Governor Jon Husted today provided the following updates on Ohio's response to the COVID-19 pandemic.
UPDATED COUNTY RISK LEVELS
Governor DeWine announced today that new public health data has led the Ohio Department of Health to designate 19 counties as being in a Red Alert Level 3 Public Emergency as defined by the Ohio Public Health Advisory System.
Upgraded to Level 3:
- Athens*
- Allen
- Delaware
- Licking
- Lucas
- Richland
- Scioto
- Union
Continuing at Level 3:
- Butler
- Clermont
- Cuyahoga
- Fairfield
- Franklin
- Hamilton
- Lorain
- Montgomery
- Pickaway
- Summit
- Wood
- Trumbull
Athens County is also on Ohio's Watch List because it is closely nearing Purple Alert Level 4. Butler, Cuyahoga, and Hamilton counties were removed from the Watch List but the threat of exposure and spread remains high.
New counties upgraded to Red Alert Level 3 will be mandated to begin wearing masks in public beginning at 6 p.m. on July 17, 2020. Mask mandates will remain in effect in all counties continuing in Red Alert Level 3. Residents in Trumbull County are no longer required to wear masks in public, however, they are strongly encouraged to do so.
"As of tomorrow night at 6:00, nearly 60 percent of Ohio's population will be under a mask order, and I strongly encourage citizens living in other counties to wear masks in public as well," said Governor DeWine.
Detailed information on each Red Alert Level 3 county can be found on the Ohio Public Health Advisory System's website. The system was developed to provide local health departments, community leaders, and the public with data and information on the severity of the COVID-19 spread in the counties in which they live. The system consists of four levels with specific risk-level guidelines. Each level is calculated with data gathered on seven public health indicators.
I had read an article that some other tests they believe only 11-15% of their population was infected. So I guess not enough samples taken.