BR/HD-DVD Thread
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Ty said:I thought the relatively low amount of piracy out there on the GCN was due to lack of desire. Still, the actual amount may not be as low as you think.
Unless you believe this is all on older systems or only their handhelds.
There is very little GCN game pirating out there due to the difficulty of the disc size/format. BTW yes the money lost is due to older formats and portable consoles actually. That stuff is rampant in Asia. Everytime you read about Nintendo busting pirates it never mentions GCN games. BTW you know anyone who's played a pirated GCN game?
I don't think the piracy-loss numbers come from Cube games. Offhand, I think the bulk of that are probably estimations of GBA games ripped off through emulators, since that's their highest-volume category, and the easiest to rip off wholesale.
PC-Engine said:
Yes, I agree with that. Overall, I think we actually agree. I see two main factors that govern piracy:
Ease and desire.
Ease is governed by a few factors. The disk format as you said AND the way the GCN reads the disc (Outside In for starters).
Desire - I don't think the desire is really there for GCN games. This factor is also impacted by ease.
PC-Engine said:
Definately, I was just saying that not 100% of the losses Nintendo claims is from older consoles/handhelds. The GBA is notoriously easy to pirate.
PC-Engine said:BTW you know anyone who's played a pirated GCN game?
A logical fallacy to use a negative to prove a positive. In other word, just because I may not have seen pirated GCN discs with my own eyes does not mean that it hasn't happened.
If most people haven't seen it or heard about it then it's probably not that widespread since this type of stuff gets out pretty fast.
Regarding that quote, where did you get it from and how is that 300,000 figure indicative of actual working GCN copies.
Alot of fake games people buy don't work in their console at all...
Regarding that quote, where did you get it from and how is that 300,000 figure indicative of actual working GCN copies.
Alot of fake games people buy don't work in their console at all...
PC-Engine said:
Again, we agree that 'not much' piracy probably occurs on the GCN.
PC-Engine said:Regarding that quote, where did you get it from and how is that 300,000 figure indicative of actual working GCN copies.
Who knows if they work or not? They were seized.
Fact is that 300K copies were made so I would assume they 'work' otherwise why bother to make 300K of non-working discs? Might as well just slap a label on a blank disc and sell them that way. . Quality may not be perfect (many times pirated games are missing something but the fact remains that GCN games have been pirated - and this is something that you even allow for in your statement.PC-Engine said:
Quite possible. Still the games are pirated in some form or fashion. The biggest barrier to piracy on the GCN (imo) is the need for a mod chip. Once you get that installed, it's apparently not a big deal to pirate games.
Well, if Sony and Toshiba are coming to an agreement, they better come to it quick!
But either way this is good I guess, because een if there is no blu-ray HD-DVD resolution, it seems at least to indicate blu-ray may be here sooner than we previously thought.
But either way this is good I guess, because een if there is no blu-ray HD-DVD resolution, it seems at least to indicate blu-ray may be here sooner than we previously thought.
What is it?
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Shifty Geezer said:
A mini-DVD with custom cover I reckon, small chance it's something else.
Nintendo HDDVD? Oh it's fake.Shifty Geezer said:
PC-Engine said:london-boy said:
I guess you work for Nintendo to state that as fact.
Do you?
We don't even know what the future HDDVD+BlueRay format will be called and you post a picture of a Nintendo RS (?!) HDDVD disc?
Nirey, i'm not even gonna bother replying to you, all i'm saying is that you won't last very long in here.
BTW, people are talking about how a unified format would delay the PS3.
However, it's interesting to note that one supposed reason why there are talks is because the doves at Toshiba have gained an upper-hand over the hawks (like the main AOD/HD-DVD guy).
Sony and Panasonic will not give up their .1mm cover layer physical format. Some speculation is that BR would buy off Toshiba and Warners, give them a piece of the patent pool pie. Or make it bigger and stick the consumers with higher prices.
The reason why there are doves at Toshiba is because of the Cell collaboration and the Toshiba semiconductor people are gaining influence.
However, it's interesting to note that one supposed reason why there are talks is because the doves at Toshiba have gained an upper-hand over the hawks (like the main AOD/HD-DVD guy).
Sony and Panasonic will not give up their .1mm cover layer physical format. Some speculation is that BR would buy off Toshiba and Warners, give them a piece of the patent pool pie. Or make it bigger and stick the consumers with higher prices.
The reason why there are doves at Toshiba is because of the Cell collaboration and the Toshiba semiconductor people are gaining influence.
PC-Engine said:
Yes comment. You do not.
Oh, so now Nintendo already has a sample of the new format?
Before Toshiba and Sony!? Either that or they're using the "old" HDDVD disc, which by the time Rev comes out will be totally useless, just like the "old" Blueray format.It's also been mentioned that the BDA wants to dump the Java software layer and go with HD DVD's software. It's also been said that Samsung and Toshiba's joint optical storage venture TSST will make hybrid BR/HD DVD players, so that whatever happens they'll still have a solution.
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