Big games for this xmass (current gen)

[jvd]

Okay guys what are the big guns coming out for the 3 systems this x mass ?

I know the cube has zelda . How about xbox and ps2 ?

I ask cause i wonder how much this current gen will affect a xenon qtr4 launch or a ps3 qtr4 launch and i'm hard pressed to think of anything that would take hype away

 

[Ty]

...i'm hard pressed to think of anything that would take hype away

That's why I doubt the new Zelda will really do much to change things for the GCN. As I said before, the hype for the new machines (all 3 of them!) should have picked up a lot of steam by then.

 

[cthellis42]

There's no way for ANY game to roll over new machine excitement. At least big-name ones like Zelda will be able to be heard through the din, but a din it will be!

 

[jvd]

That's why I doubt the new Zelda will really do much to change things for the GCN. As I said before, the hype for the new machines (all 3 of them!) should have picked up a lot of steam by then.

Well zelda will still sell huge and will still sell systems . Remember the psone continued to out sell the ps2 for a very long time and a 100$ or less system for xmass (The cube) would make a good system for those on a lower budget .

But i'm just wondering what is coming out for the other systems . Esp ps2 as it seems ms has nothing big coming out for the xbox

 

[Ty]

Well zelda will still sell huge and will still sell systems .

Well sure it's going to help sell some systems, just not enough to matter.

Remember the psone continued to out sell the ps2 for a very long time

Yes but in your example the PS1 had way more momentum than the GCN. The GCN is NOT the first choice for people buying a console. The PS2-Slim will be.

and a 100$ or less system for xmass (The cube) would make a good system for those on a lower budget .

Sure. Heck I think it's a good system at $150. I just don't think enough people will be buying it regardless of Zelda.

 

[jvd]

Well sure it's going to help sell some systems, just not enough to matte

Matter in what ? Selling more ssystems even if its only a 100k more because of zelda will mean other games are picked up which means nintendo makes more money than they would with out it .


But anyway , can anyone answer my question ?

 

[Inane_Dork]

Well, there's the usual stable of EA games: Madden, NFSU, Burnout.

And I would not expect any "killer" titles on the Xbox for Christmas. The Xbox will likely be mid-decline at that point.

 

[cthellis42]

Well zelda will still sell huge and will still sell systems . Remember the psone continued to out sell the ps2 for a very long time and a 100$ or less system for xmass (The cube) would make a good system for those on a lower budget .

They continued to sell alongside for a year, but after that the PS2 sprinted ahead. I'm pretty sure it would have sold better in comparison had they more supply, too.

PS2 sales its first year: 4.65m Japan, 2.76m US, 2.63m Europe
PS1 sales in that span: 1.06m Japan, 4.35m US, 3.9m Europe

...and keep in mind the PS2 was only available in Japan for the first 7-8 months. Japan's figures alone show a more telling comparison. Looking at the comparison for the first full quarter of sales for the US and Europe isn't so telling, but looking at their first full YEAR (Jan 2001 - Jan 2002) shows it:

PS2 sales: 8.41m US, 5.82m Europe
PS1 sales: 3.89m US, 4.94m Europe

Obviously Eurpose is a bit anomalous, but in both Japan and the US, the PS2 started outselling the PS1 instantly and by a large margin. Limited markets and supply held it back more than anything else for its first year, and after that it was selling more than 2:1 in comparison to the PS1.


I don't think the public will embrace any $100 system any more than they already do, and I DO think that interest in next gen's systems will lower the pickup of this gen's. A company would certainly give themselves a sales spike by lowering their price yet again, but would it be any more than what they usually get from a sales drop? Likely not.

I imagine all the current systems will sell about as they do in relation to each other now, modified by how much interest next gen's systems pull away as they start coming to market. (And skewed a bit towards one system or another during their scattered releases.)

 

[Ty]

Matter in what ?

That's why I doubt the new Zelda will really do much to change things for the GCN.

But anyway , can anyone answer my question ?

Wish I knew - sorry.

 

[cthellis42]

But anyway , can anyone answer my question ?

Wish I knew - sorry.

I believe in that one he's just referring to:

Okay guys what are the big guns coming out for the 3 systems this x mass ?

Problem is, I think a lot of titles are too transient right now. Some may slip back TO the holiday season, and some may slip from it on into 2006. And many are still TBA right now, so...

We should know more at E3.

 

[Solidus]

Well, Resident Evil 4 will be released for the Ps2. I'm quit interested on how the game will compare to it's GC counterpart. Next to that, i don't see alot of AAA games comming for either consoles Q4 2005, except ofcourse The Legend of Zelda.

 

[Acert93]

Not all gamers are early adopters--actually, the first year of console sales for any new system are usually the slowest period because a) the systems are expensive and b) there usually is not a lot of quality software available.

So while I expect some hoopla over PS3 and Rev, you know they will be putting MORE emphasis on PS2/GCN because they both have games coming out in 2005 and Sony does not want to steal the PSP thunder. It appears Rev probably wont be playable at E3, and that the PS3 showing will be geared, I believe, more to downplay the Xenon with the "Wait 1 more year and we will blow them away" type angle.

And fall 2005 will only be seeing 1 new console, not three. So while there will be some hype, there will be over 120M PS2/Xbox/GCN units in the world and maybe 3M X2 if it has a great launch. The game makers obviously want to SELL games, so I do not expect them to focus too much on the new consoles--less MS of course who WILL have a new console out.

As for games...

PS2 has RE4.

Xbox has Conkers Live, GTA:VC, Forza.

GCN has Zelda, Advanced Wars, Pokemon GCN.

I am sure there are others. But all I really care about is BF2 And then you have all the crossplatform games like Madden, Timesplitters, Splinter Cell, Killer7, Sonic, Brothers in Arms, and so forth.

2005 may not be 2004, but it looks like a pretty nice year--and by fall there should be a couple more games that really stick out.

 

[cthellis42]

And fall 2005 will only be seeing 1 new console, not three. So while there will be some hype, there will be over 120M PS2/Xbox/GCN units in the world and maybe 3M X2 if it has a great launch.

Only one console may be released, but we'll know the precise details about the others, and continually be seeing more information and watching the press get more consumed with the new generation and see more pages in the magazines devoted to it... (After all, new and interesting things sell more mags.)

So while high-profile software will be able to get notice, more and more focus will be on the next generation--whether the machines are being released by holiday 2005 or not--as the "just around the corner" affect sinks in, and gamers will be curbing their expenses in preparation for whatever machine they do want to pick up.

 

[jvd]

Not all gamers are early adopters--actually, the first year of console sales for any new system are usually the slowest period because a) the systems are expensive and b) there usually is not a lot of quality software available.

Oh I don't doubt that but lack luster games can drive them to a new generation . So i was wondering really what was really big that would get alot of hype and take away from xenon hype

 

[Almasy]

Well, all of you guys are forgetting that either DQVIII or FFXII will be PS2´s biggest title of the holiday season. RE4 will be a nice port, but that won´t be the biggest title.

 

[cthellis42]

Well one game that certainly stands a chance is Final Fantasy XII, which I believe is still slated for a Q4 release in the US. It will probably pass the buck back and forth with Kingdom Hearts II which I believe is expected out around the same time. The aforementioned RE4 rounds out what I can see for the PS2 right now, though RE4's impact should be dimmed about because all the major press happened around the Gamecube release.

For the Cube itself, there's mainly Zelda. Advance Wars comes out too early (it's slated for early August) and is for a much more niche audience, and Pokemon games tend to sell to people who've always been playing Pokemon games and not have a lot of press or general public impact. (Plus, I'm not actually sure what title Acert was talking about, nor when it comes out.)

For the Xbox, I can't actually see anything specific (excepting what's mentioned below). Forza, Conker, and GTA:SA are all slated to be summer titles (May and June), so they'll really have no impact on the summer sales except for selling better. But they won't be high-profile new releases, which is really what we're looking for.

One bi- and one tri-platform game, though, brace the rest up. There's Starcraft: Ghost (unless it slips, which would not be surprising), and if Battlefield: Modern Combat is handled well, it could hold the public's interest.

But as I said, we don't really KNOW what all the titles are going to be this season. From what it's looking like right now, the only titles that will really make a splash are Zelda, FFXII, and KHII.

 

[Teasy]

These are the quarter 4 GC titles that catch my eye:

WWE: Day of Reckoning 2
Shadow the Hedgehog
Animal Crossing 2
Harvest Moon: Poem of Happiness
Phantasy Star Universe
Pokemon XD
Super Monkey Ball 3
Legend of Zelda
Mario 128 (possibly, possibly not)

There's nothing massive their other then Zelda and Mario. Most of the stuff I'm interested in comes out in the first 8 months of the year.

 

[Tysan]

This Xmas is all about Zelda and FF XII

 

[Ty]

I believe in that one he's just referring to:

Yea, I just didn't have an answer for him as I don't know what is coming out.

 

[Pozer]

Xbox exclusive lineup looks like Stubbs The Zombie, Far Cry Instincts, and I wouldn't rule out a stripped down version of Perfect Dark 0 for xbox1. Nothing very awe inspiring as the new Zelda though, atleast not on xbox1. but then again I'll be cozying up to cocoa and my Xenon this fall and awaiting the ps3 and/or revolution.