Baseless Next Generation Rumors with no Technical Merits [post E3 2019, pre GDC 2020] [XBSX, PS5]

Deleted member 13524 · Jul 25, 2019

ultragpu said:
Why not? Even the PS4 has run it and got 5000 overall score

It has?
Is there any credible source saying the PS4 has a fully functional Windows distribution that runs 3dmark?

ultragpu · Jul 25, 2019

ToTTenTranz said:
It has?
Is there any credible source saying the PS4 has a fully functional Windows distribution that runs 3dmark?

I got it from here.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1143418629666430976

AlNom · Jul 25, 2019

Was there an actual bench referenced or is that "rough" in the sense of using the nearest PC GPU?

Deleted member 13524 · Jul 25, 2019

AlBran said:
Was there an actual bench referenced or is that "rough" in the sense of using the nearest PC GPU?

My thoughts exactly.

Sounds like the PS4's rough score of 5000 is simply how much the 1.76 TFLOPs HD7850 with 155GB/s bandwidth and 32 ROPs (very similar throughput to Liverpool) scores on the 3dmark 11 Performance GPU test:

https://www.legitreviews.com/xfx-radeon-hd-7850-1gb-core-edition-video-card-review_2048/9

Tum Apisak is a reliable data miner to find new CPU/APU codenames and interpreting them, but I don't know of him actually having insider sources that would tell him they have PS4 systems running Windows.

iroboto · Jul 25, 2019

ToTTenTranz said:
Tum Apisak is a reliable data miner to find new CPU/APU codenames and interpreting them, but I don't know of him actually having insider sources that would tell him they have PS4 systems running Windows.

Are there alternative ways of submitting results that we are unaware of ? Or support for varying OS/benchmarking for companies etc at the professional level?

Shifty Geezer · Jul 25, 2019

At the same time, would there be any reason to think a PS4 running the benchmark would score radically different?

Globalisateur · Jul 25, 2019

AlBran said:
Was there an actual bench referenced or is that "rough" in the sense of using the nearest PC GPU?

Rough means score is well under 5000.

Proelite said:
How did you find this? I've exhausted my methods but I couldn't find
https://www.3dmark.com/fs/19011253
from scratch.

The primary key is in the URL with probably an auto-increment.

Deleted member 13524 · Jul 25, 2019

iroboto said:
Are there alternative ways of submitting results that we are unaware of ? Or support for varying OS/benchmarking for companies etc at the professional level?

I can't find anything on their website about this, but maybe UL Benchmarks takes custom orders to get their software running on devices with fully custom OSes and hardware like the PS4. Though if I were Sony I'd probably be much more interested in benchmarks running their own ICE engines or popular 3rd party engines like the Unreal Engine (e.g. the Samaritan demo).
In practice, 3dmark only serves to compare GPUs in the PC space. Console makers are probably more interested in figuring out how much eye candy they can put at a given resolution and framerate.

Shifty Geezer said:
At the same time, would there be any reason to think a PS4 running the benchmark would score radically different?

Assuming it's the graphics score which doesn't depend a lot on the CPU then no, it'd probably score really close to a HD7850.

But assuming the PS4 would score close to 5000 in that test isn't what's fishy here.
What's fishy is claiming this Gonzalo APU is a custom SoC for the PS5 that somehow ran Windows with functional drivers in a popular benchmark for PC, and somehow they did the same with a PS4.

If this was someone claiming the PC-based devkit with off-the-shelf hardware that approaches the performance of the final console was getting that score, I'd find it a lot more believable.

AbsoluteBeginner · Jul 25, 2019

PS4 and Pro where also tested in 3d mark.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1118106567579062272

Note code of chip (same one used in actual retail PS4)

Shifty Geezer · Jul 25, 2019

So Windows is actually running on the consoles. Curious.

iroboto · Jul 25, 2019

Shifty Geezer said:
So Windows is actually running on the consoles. Curious.

The release devkits don’t have windows though. Which is understandable. Curious to see when the switch over occurs.

Proelite · Jul 25, 2019

Scarlett Firestrike scores:
https://www.3dmark.com/fs/19019538

AbsoluteBeginner · Jul 25, 2019

Proelite said:
Scarlett Firestrike scores:
https://www.3dmark.com/fs/19019538

Lol I wonder what that is because that score is flippin crazy.

Proelite · Jul 25, 2019

AlNom · Jul 25, 2019

So it's the new PasteBin, eh?

I knew that 0W, 0 processor, 0nm, 0Mhz... was fishy.

Proelite · Jul 25, 2019

AlBran said:
So it's the new PasteBin, eh?

I knew that 0W was fishy...

The list that I scraped are just garbage results that any database would have. Maybe 0.1% of the results on 3dmark is garbage. Someone found one by chance that had a score over 20k.

AlphaWolf · Jul 25, 2019

Proelite said:
The list that I scraped are just garbage results that any database would have. Maybe 0.1% of the results on 3dmark is garbage. Someone found one by chance that had a score over 20k.

I randomly clicked one of your links and the score was 28.3k. I know we can do better.

Proelite · Jul 25, 2019

Node.js code if anyone is interested in running the script in a node environment. You'll need to setup up the dependencies in package.json file.

Code:

const { parse } = require('node-html-parser');
const axios = require('axios');

const MIN_ID = 19019611;
const MAX_ID = 19025000;
const URL = "https://www.3dmark.com/fs/";
const SLEEP_MS = 250;
const UNKNOWN = 'Unknown';

const sleep = (ms) => new Promise((resolve) => setTimeout(resolve, ms));

const scrape = async () => {
  for (let id = MIN_ID; id < MAX_ID; id += 1) {
    const url = `${URL}${id}`;
    try {
      const { data } = await axios.get(url);
      const root = parse(data);
      const resultHeader = root.querySelector('span.result-header-small');
      const gpu = resultHeader.childNodes[3].text.trim();
      const cpu = resultHeader.childNodes[5].text.trim();

      if (gpu.indexOf(UNKNOWN) !== -1 && cpu.indexOf(UNKNOWN) !== -1) {
        console.debug(`Found: ${url}`);
      }
      await sleep(SLEEP_MS);
    } catch (err) {
      console.error(`Error in ${url}: `, err);
    }
  }
};

(async () => {
  try {
    await scrape();
  } catch (e) {
    console.error(e);
  }
})();

anexanhume · Jul 25, 2019

Proelite said:
Scarlett Firestrike scores:
https://www.3dmark.com/fs/19019538

So all the Gonzalo scores are bogus but this one is legit because?

Proelite · Jul 25, 2019

anexanhume said:
So all the Gonzalo scores are bogus but this one is legit because?

Because of confirmation bias.

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