Baseless Next Generation Rumors with no Technical Merits [post E3 2019, pre GDC 2020] [XBSX, PS5]

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  1. AlphaWolf

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    It would make perfect sense if the ceo wants to collect his severance package.
     
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    Any apu based on navi10 would get the "lite" tag. Lite just means APU.
     
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    For all those reasons you give it makes more sense than ever to me.

    Hardware is still the best way to lock someone into your network.
     
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    Navi10 can show up on MS as well in theory. Everyone can have access to the base architecture and bring in features that they require from up and down the chain.

    it showing up on macOS is necessarily indicative that it couldn’t also show up on Sony, MS, or others like Google.
     
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    But not Nintendo...


    At least not yet, maybe 2022.
     
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    I believe those references were removed, for what it is worth.
     
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    0.01% you say?

    Sony BRAVIA KDL22PX300
    22 inch LCD TV with built in PS2

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    The PS5 devkit shape is only like that to fit the Atmos speaker array in when it's used as the soundbar ;-)

     
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    Had no idea such a thing existed haha.
     
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    In a World where you pay up to 1000 Dollar for a mobile System like Smartphones , makes stationary Consoles for 399 Dollar for 4K Tv's no sense, sorry to say that. We need Power, a big graphic Leap, technological Innovations , and the most important thing "QUALITY". Sony itself praising his nextgen System with 8k and 120 Fps Capabilities, so a underpowered 399 .- System doesent help us here.

    And Sony is not a Newcomer in the Videogame Business, they have a huge Installbase with Ps4 and so on, so they are not under the pressure to bring the cheapest Product to the Market. If "cheap" the only best solution they can build also a gaming device with 0,5 Tflops , such a Product cost only 99 Dollar , but does it improve Games, Graphics, Gamedevelopment ?? NO. And here is the Problem with your 399.- Theory. 399.- look like that Sony dont trust his own Product. Playstation is a strong Brandname , so strong that only 399.- rescue him?? Ps4 Pro cost here in Europe around 300 Euros , and did you think Ps5 cost only 99 Euros more?? Pretty unlikely.

    And i am also wondering about those 8/9Tflops rumors , because then something is wrong with 7nmm and the RDNA Architecture. Only 2-3 Tflops more Computal Power or improvement compare to the old GCN Architecture in the Xbox One X from 2017 , really ??

    And all these mysterius silents from Sony, strong NDA's that no Gamecompanys knowing nothing about target specs, weak Techdemos from last year running on Ps5 Devkit with only 20-30Fps. LoL 120 Fps and 8K. Rubbish Insiders on Neogaf Forum , Resetera, Reddit, Twitter , contradict each other.

    What the hell is going on here??
     
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    TV's, mobiles etc have always been much more expensive then most consoles. What has changed since PS1 days?

    Who is 'we'? 99% of the PS5 buyers wont even know what a TF metric is. Parents buying it for their 14 year olds care if the new CoD will be available on their system. The biggest market is the casual market, they aren't thinking of 9 vs 12TF power differences.

    They are describing HDMI2.1 features there. Even at 699, the PS5 wouldnt be a 8k/120FPS machine.

    Tell that to the team responsible for the PS3.

    9TF would be equal to about 12TF's worth of first GCN. You're also forgetting everything else, CPU, SSD, main ram.

    Again it is a HDMI spec, have a little common sense.

    Follow hard data, or what MS and Sony themselfs say, or perhaps a dev going official, not insiders with friends on forums.
     
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    Sony targeting the Core Market with the Playstation not only the Casuals, it is not a Console only for Children, so i dont understand your Argument. For Children we have Nintendo, and Nintendo itself cannot deny anymore the Core Market as a important Factum. No there is no evidence that 9 Tflops RDNA is 12 GCN , show me real Game World Data, that proves your Theory.
     
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    Even price aside it was always going to be a consumer box that sits next to the tv and pull a few hundred watts at most from the wall.
     
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    If Wattage such a Problem why they did not release nextgen in 2021 with 5 nmm?
     
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    They wanted to strike while the silicon was hot.
     
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    Because 5nm is used for a die shrink and selling cheaper/with some profit margins. If they launched at 5nm, it'll be who knows how long until a die shrink can happen.

    You do not factor the business considerations at all into your demands for moare power! What you want isn't possible for a home console. Go buy an expensive PC. ;)
     
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    https://winfuture.de/news,112847.html

    5 nm in 2020 , 3 nm in 2022 so no Problem at all . And the Buisness is not a static Nature law , Market Members like Companys, Banks, Economist, G7 Politicans, Bilderbergers can change the market Structure if they want they do it since Caputalism is born, yes there are Limitations, and i understand that but i didnt speak about overexpensive Consoles that bring Companys down.
     
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    It is not only for childern, but i wouldnt be surprised if most of the userbase actually are. Not that it really matters, even casuals in their twenty's arent really aware of how many TF the PS5 is going to be, or what it will be when they decide or not to buy it.

    Yes Nintendo has a younger market, but they also have exclusives, and with the switch a portable console.

    And then, why not wait untill 2022 for even better hardware? Yes they could perhaps have had Zen 3, HBM3, PCIE5 and/or RTX3000 or full navi 2, but somewhere you must draw a limit. I think Zen2, Navi1.5 (or even 2?), with GDDR6 and a fast SSD are a good fit for a 2020 next gen PS or Xbox.
     
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    If Sony release on 7nm, they can then shrink twice to 3nm. If they release a more powerful console at 5nm, they can't price reduce so readily. These forecasts aren't a given either, while cost for die shrinks aren't increasing as well other die shrinks, to the point that some processors are being produced on older ,larger nodes because they are cheaper. 3nm and beyond is a big question mark with potentially very expensive fabrication:

    https://semiengineering.com/5-3nm-wars-begin/

    Launching now at 7nm makes a lot of sense as the roadmap is clear for two die shrinks remaining on the same finFET tech. Launching next node would be one hell of a gamble, especially if designing a large, expensive chip, as shrinking it cost effectively might not be possible and you might be stuck at a $400 for the life of the machine.
     
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    It was always going to be a generational leap, aside from if Sony and MS didn't want to and stayed with jaguars, a mechanical spinning HDD, omitted ray tracing which arrived for costumers 2018, and stuck with a GPU that is anything below Navi at the same raw TFs.
    With a BOM between 400 and $500 it is kinda hard to not offer a generational leap in 2020, over the jaguar and HDD equipped 2013 consoles, which had a relatively modest GPU for the time.

    Also, zen2 might come close to Intel in IPC, but not really in clock speeds yet? Maybe Zen 3 will do that though.
     
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