Baseless Next Generation Rumors with no Technical Merits [post E3 2019, pre GDC 2020] [XBSX, PS5]

[Globalisateur]

I believe him.
Honestly I do. It's a reasonable take, and its more or less what I've been thinking as well.
And I also believe when fully utilized, 4Pro competes extremely well against X1X. It is very hard for people to notice the difference.

But when it's not fully utilized, or utilized well, the difference becomes noticeable.
So I also think this type of pattern will show up if it is 9.2 to 12 TF.
Another replay of 4Pro vs X1X.
MS would really need to screw the pooch on hardware balance for XSX for it to be close in final performance but still have a 30% TF advantage.

On Pro vs XBX diffs are noticeable usually when the games are severly bandwidth bound (most games that show >100% higher res on XBX, but usually it's about 50% higher, sometimes 0-20%).

For next-gen both boxes will have virtually identical ram bandwidth. 9.2 to 12 (which won't happen anyways, but that's another story) is 30% when Pro / XBX already have a bigger flops gap (40%). Then you add 50% more ram bandwidth on XBX. BUT noticeable res (or framerate) differences could happen for another reason.

The differences will be on loading times and ray tracing quality differences. But if they put the processing power on equal RT quality, then resolution / framerate could suffer on one machine as a consequence.

In my opinion.

 

[iroboto]

On Pro vs XBX diffs are noticeable usually when the games are severly bandwidth bound (most games that show >100% higher res on XBX, but usually it's about 50% higher, sometimes 0-20%).

For next-gen both boxes will have virtually identical ram bandwidth. 9.2 to 12 (which won't happen anyways, but that's another story) is 30% when Pro / XBX already have a bigger flops gap (40%). Then you add 50% more ram bandwidth on XBX. BUT noticeable res (or framerate) differences could happen for another reason.

The differences will be on loading times and ray tracing quality differences. But if they put the processing power on equal RT quality, then resolution / framerate could suffer on one machine as a consequence.

In my opinion.

indeed, forgot about the memory difference there.
XSX being anemic in memory will be concerning.

 

[Proelite]

Well there's some bottlenecks. If we are fair to the idea that Github leaks apply to Oberon, we must apply the same concepts to Arden.
There is a serious lack of memory bandwidth for double the power of X1X.
Double X1X we should be looking at 650 GB/s of bandwidth. The GitHub leaks are showing ~520/540 IIRC.

Things like that are an issue, and there could be others.

FYI.

It was 560GB/s theoretical. It was 448GB/s theoretical for Oberon, ~530GB/s tested.

We don't have tested figures for Arden.

If Arden uses 17gb/s chips like Oberon, it'll be ~660GB/s.

 

[anexanhume]

New rumor from reddit:

I’m not going to endorse any particular rumor in this frenzy, but this would line up with the performance parity Kleegamefan had suggested, with PS5 having a slight edge. Also lines up with Reiner’s 2019 E3 comments were.

 

[N2O]

Well there's some bottlenecks. If we are fair to the idea that Github leaks apply to Oberon, we must apply the same concepts to Arden.
There is a serious lack of memory bandwidth for double the power of X1X.
Double X1X we should be looking at 650 GB/s of bandwidth. The GitHub leaks are showing ~520/540 IIRC.

Things like that are an issue, and there could be others.

That's not what the GitHub said.

 

[N2O]

How many "PS5 being slight edge of power" specs "leaked" already btw? feels like we already have 20 different versions.

 

[MrFox]

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/next...-analysis-leaks-thread.1480978/post-256731237
BGs said "At the beginning of the year PS5 was still the one that offered the best performance."

More performance from a smaller SoC would be worth a gigantic V shaped case.

 

[chris1515]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1222604583525945344

in the bottom left of the photo

 

[PSman1700]

I’m not going to endorse any particular rumor in this frenzy, but this would line up with the performance parity Kleegamefan had suggested, with PS5 having a slight edge. Also lines up with Reiner’s 2019 E3 comments were.

And posts like this happening on B3D :S

 

[anexanhume]

And posts like this happening on B3D :S

?

This is coming from information from current and former game journalists with undeniable industry connections. I won’t put stock in any particular rumor as I stated, but anything that happens to align closely with what they’ve said certainly attracts my attention.

 

[N2O]

Not even people in PS5 sub think this is "leak" at all.

https://www.reddit.com/r/PS5/comments/evk0in

https://www.reddit.com/r/GamingLeaksAndRumours/comments/evj6k4

But i assume it's due to they're getting tired of keep getting this kind of "leaks" everyday.

 

[PSman1700]

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This is coming from information from current and former game journalists with undeniable industry connections. I won’t put stock in any particular rumor as I stated, but anything that happens to align closely with what they’ve said certainly attracts my attention.

It is resetera style of posts. I think all this 'Klee' style of posters aren't really contributing to anything really. Yes it is the baseless section i know, but referencing to banned people with unverified info to strenthen their basis isnt the way to impress anyone.
What does 'close' mean anyway? PS4 Pro and One X are 'close' aswell, often needing DF to see the difference. We need numbers, not 'close', or 'it is very powerfull'

 

[chris1515]

It is resetera style of posts. I think all this 'Klee' style of posters aren't really contributing to anything really. Yes it is the baseless section i know, but referencing to banned people with unverified info to strenthen their basis isnt the way to impress anyone.
What does 'close' mean anyway? PS4 Pro and One X are 'close' aswell, often needing DF to see the difference. We need numbers, not 'close', or 'it is very powerfull'

PS4 Pro and Xbox one X are often not close at all because the PS4 Pro bandwidth is weak. Sometimes in some title, the framerate is not as good as PS4 because the developer did not reduce PS4 Pro resolution enough and the bandwidth is the bottleneck.

 

[PSman1700]

How many "PS5 being slight edge of power" specs "leaked" already btw? feels like we already have 20 different versions.

Many more untill acceptance.

PS4 Pro and Xbox one X are often not close at all because the PS4 Pro bandwidth is weak. Sometimes in some title, the framerate is not as good as PS4 because the developer did not reduce PS4 Pro resolution enough and the bandwidth is the bottleneck.

Right, so when some 'jounalist' claims they are 'close', they perhaps aren't even reffering to TF numbers.

 

[mpg1]

Has anyone tried to estimate what level of GPU it would it take for the CPU's in these new consoles to get bottlenecked?

If there is no bottleneck pushing the GPU out further maybe more advantageous this time...

 

[anexanhume]

It is resetera style of posts. I think all this 'Klee' style of posters aren't really contributing to anything really. Yes it is the baseless section i know, but referencing to banned people with unverified info to strenthen their basis isnt the way to impress anyone.
What does 'close' mean anyway? PS4 Pro and One X are 'close' aswell, often needing DF to see the difference. We need numbers, not 'close', or 'it is very powerfull'

Close was deemed within 15% on FLOPs.

The only reason he was banned was because it was self-requested. His links to the industry were verified.

Finally, no one I’m talking about is trying to “impress” anyone, myself included.

 

[BRiT]

Well, that was a whole lot of nothing.

It's already been said here with the simple phrase of "Everything will be fine."

 

[PSman1700]

Close was deemed within 15% on FLOPs.

The only reason he was banned was because it was self-requested. His links to the industry were verified.

Finally, no one I’m talking about is trying to “impress” anyone, myself included.

Yeah 9 vs 12TF. Put it however you want.
He was banned, doesn't matter how, and no, those journalists want to make impressions, it's not working. Your just the messenger.

 

[anexanhume]

Yeah 9 vs 12TF. Put it however you want.
He was banned, doesn't matter how, and no, those journalists want to make impressions, it's not working. Your just the messenger.

Yes, he’s clearly the one with the agenda

 

[Shifty Geezer]

He was banned, doesn't matter how.

Course it does. It's the difference between getting sacked and retiring. A 'ban' is getting removed from the forum for being unwanted, as opposed to requesting a time-out of his own volition with a view to returning when he wants.

I don't know why you're arguing so hard on these points. Okay, you disagree with some folk. Let it go. This thread has generated soooo many posts about nothing in particular. It's bizarre how much people want to say, "that guy can't be trusted." Like, after you've said it 8 times, isn't that enough to let people know what you think and you can move on to talking about other things? There's a whole other forum here, with a whole lot of subjects getting no love (not least of which is a decent technical prediction thread). And there's a bigger world out there to do stuff in - wouldn't you rather do some of that then post for the tenth or eleventh times, "crazy nonsense rumours!!!".