Baseless Next Generation Rumors with no Technical Merits [post E3 2019, pre GDC 2020] [XBSX, PS5]
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Thought about this very thing.
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Xbsx is confirmed Navi at twice the raw processing power of xb1x. This is official.
There are rumors of pretty much every possibility for ps5. You can believe whichever between 7TF and 13TF. The most plausible sources are 9.2TF, and it discredits most verified insiders on era, unless something dramatic is discovered. Still rumors.
For exploration fun; is Water cooling a possibility? What would costs look like at mass scale ?
Good question I don't know. The cheap AIO don't seem to perform better than traditional tower with just heat pipes. They just help form factor. Big ones are more for lots of watts in total, but we're not seeing them allow much higher wattage per mm2?
I would love to see someone make a powerful chip integrating a vapor chamber layer right into the heat spreader touching the silicon. Like the die soldered on that material. That would allow more watts per mm2, since the limiting factor for hot spots on the die is the first heat spreader thickness and material (or thermal paste). Not sure why we haven't seen this yet, maybe it's not possible to assemble it that way.
In fact, I really wonder what the highest watts per mm2 we have had so far with amd gpus. Should be easy to look up die size versus TDP in the gpu list. But it doesn't help figuring out which ones are limited by hot spots.
Radeon VII is 300W TBP for 331mm2. (total board, so subtract a bit for HBM and vrms)
5700XT Aniversary Edition 235W TBP for 251mm2. (subtract more for GDDR6)
We're probably reaching 0.8W/mm2 right now.
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Obviously take with a huge grain of salt but a poster by the name "OsirisBlack" who is/was an insider on Neogaf is saying that both systems are very close in power with one being slightly ahead and with better ray traycing.
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/next...-leaks-thread.1480978/page-457#post-256378561
Seems I missed quite a bit, If you think there is that much of a difference in these machines power then you're going to be disappointed. They are both very close and Neither is under 10. I will stand on what I said they are both very competitive and the difference is minimal. You have a month a week and a few days until its official.
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/next...-leaks-thread.1480978/page-460#post-256382410
I have no bias and am eagerly anticipating owning all consoles, as I currently do and have every generation going back to when it was only Nintendo and Sega as the main players. You are omitting the fact that Xbox also has not stated their flop number publicly that was conjecture based on what Mr. Spencer said. I have said it a bunch of times here and elsewhere they are both ridiculously powerful and everyone is going to be a winner. No bias and no agenda everyone wins. Now, that being said one is still more powerful than the other (very slightly) and has a better RT solution. Funny story, games are already being made on both so developers do know their final target spec. Nothing has changed and it wont in this final hour. By account bet do you mean avatar bet? because I would be interested.
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/next...-leaks-thread.1480978/page-457#post-256378561
Seems I missed quite a bit, If you think there is that much of a difference in these machines power then you're going to be disappointed. They are both very close and Neither is under 10. I will stand on what I said they are both very competitive and the difference is minimal. You have a month a week and a few days until its official.
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/next...-leaks-thread.1480978/page-460#post-256382410
I have no bias and am eagerly anticipating owning all consoles, as I currently do and have every generation going back to when it was only Nintendo and Sega as the main players. You are omitting the fact that Xbox also has not stated their flop number publicly that was conjecture based on what Mr. Spencer said. I have said it a bunch of times here and elsewhere they are both ridiculously powerful and everyone is going to be a winner. No bias and no agenda everyone wins. Now, that being said one is still more powerful than the other (very slightly) and has a better RT solution. Funny story, games are already being made on both so developers do know their final target spec. Nothing has changed and it wont in this final hour. By account bet do you mean avatar bet? because I would be interested.
Neogaf seems significantly less moderated and more out there than Era these days.
That said nothing he says is too wild. Wasn't the original Oberon leak 10.24? Which requires 40 CU's at 2.0, no redundant CU's?
I do doubt he somehow has final info and everybody else doesn't, though.
But my main question, whats in a month, week, few days?
Isn't this just repeating what Era's Klee said.
Most all the credible rumors have converged. Though I expect new ones to surface in any upcoming quiet times, most centered on the Ps5 being the magic number 13TF or above, since it's on the outs currently.
There's enough wiggle room even in the github based rumors, between clocks and MS never giving a concrete flop spec.
Main outlier one I can think of is Klee, and he's already provided himself plenty of outs. But then again I dont follow the rumormongers on Era/GAF that much. Most are very low quality.
We've heard from verified insiders for months that they are both very close. It kind of died out for a little while.
I think 9.2TF sounds about right for Sony, since they offically said it would be affordable, but I'm on the verge of taking a bet against that 36 CU.
Taking that 12TF down to 10TF for MS would make it fit. But we also have quite a few insiders saying 12TF is correct. And there would be a big gap against official claims of around 12TF which would be real shitty PR. So that seems very improbable.
Yeah, I say it's more than 36 CUs.
I think 9.2TF sounds about right for Sony, since they offically said it would be affordable, but I'm on the verge of taking a bet against that 36 CU.
Taking that 12TF down to 10TF for MS would make it fit. But we also have quite a few insiders saying 12TF is correct. And there would be a big gap against official claims of around 12TF which would be real shitty PR. So that seems very improbable.
Yeah, I say it's more than 36 CUs.
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Certainly will be fun to see reactions once these two are released. We bet for ~2.5-3TF back in 2012, and we know how that ended,but admitedly they went conservative back then.
I mean I haven't kept up with every insider but there are a few that have said things like: "both are more powerful than Stadia", "both are above 10", "both are close".
"Above 10" directly contradicts the 9.2. More "powerful than Stadia" and "both are close" is vague and open to interpretation. You could argue if PS5 is RDNA and has RT that even at 9.2 it is more powerful than Stadia. Both are "close"...I mean someone could consider 10% diff close....someone else could consider a 30% difference as close. So there's wiggle room with those statements(ie hard to be proven "wrong")
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