And so it begins...

You don't perhaps think that the oil industry had a hand in that report do you? It's not like anyone has ever spilled oil have they!

To be fair at the bottom a guy does mention that he thinks they overstated the dangers of leakage.

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I've also heard that the condensed fumes can be dangerous. People have drowned.
 
Simon F said:
I've also heard that the condensed fumes can be dangerous. People have drowned.

I've heard that too...though I've also understood that they already have a solution to that problem though: new type of catalytic converter that will reduce the concentration of those condensed fumes, by transforming a good majority of them to harmless hydrocarbons...
 
The other assumption that Hydrogen Fuel Cell implies pure hydrogen moved and stored throughout the entire distribution chain.

More likely, we won't be pumping H2 around. Either, it will be electrolyzed at home off the grid. Or, it will be extracted from a hydrocarbon from your car's tank. Or, it will be stored as a metal hydride. I highly doubt "end to end" hydrogen distribution.

Moreover, the leakage number is pulled out of thin air. Since we do not have hydrogen cars, and hydrogen gas stations, and hydrogen distribution, we have no way to measure how much would be leaked from devices *designed for the hydrogen economy*. It could be more! It could be less! I can imagine tank designs with burnoff systems that prevent most leakage from escaping into the stratosphere.

I don't think this one comes from the oil companies. I think it comes from the environmentalists, number one, to attack what they see as a Bush initiative, and second because they don't believe in clean energy, they fundamentally don't want Americans to be driving cars around, and anything they see could continue the American lifestyle (lots of driving) is an anathema, which is what a clean fuel would allow.

Not all environmentalists are like that, but there are those that would rather see oil shut down, and no new energy sources found for replacement in transportation and heavy industries, because they are fundamentally opposed to the idea of consumption in the first place.
 
http://hondacorporate.com/environ_tech/index.html (under the heading "Fuel Cell Technology")
Washington, D.C. 02/06/2003 -- The hydrogen-powered Honda FCX, the only fuel cell vehicle certified by the California Air Resources Board (CARB) and U.S. EPA for every day commercial use, joined the White House's ceremony on the Freedom Fuel Initiative today in Washington D.C.

American Honda executive vice president Tom Elliott and vice president of Honda R&D Americas, Ben Knight are expected to brief President Bush and Secretary of Energy Spencer Abraham on Honda's hydrogen-powered FCX. Currently, Honda is working with the City of Los Angeles under a two-year lease agreement, where the City of LA pays $500 a month to lease the first of five Honda FCX models, with the other four vehicles scheduled for delivery in 2003. Los Angeles City employees will use these fuel cell vehicles on a day-to-day basis, just like any other pool vehicle for practical, everyday use. This test fleet will provide Honda with valuable, real world knowledge on the use and operation of fuel cells. In addition, Honda has contracted with Air Products and Chemicals, Inc., based in Allentown, Pennsylvania, with local operations in El Segundo, California, to provide the hydrogen fuel and refueling infrastructure.

"Hydrogen-powered fuel cell vehicles hold great promise for future clean air vehicles, while at the same time reducing our global dependence on oil," said Tom Elliott, executive vice president, American Honda Motor Co., Inc. "At Honda, we believe it is our responsibility to advance our technology towards a cleaner environment, and the fact that the Honda FCX is actually on the road today is a giant step in that direction."

Honda plans to lease about 30 fuel cell cars in California and Japan during the next two to three years. The company currently has no plans, however, for mass- market sales of fuel cell vehicles or sales to individuals.

Both CARB and the EPA have certified the Honda FCX as a Zero Emission Vehicle (ZEV). The FCX uses hydrogen supplied to a fuel cell "stack" to generate electricity that powers its electric motor.

With an output of up to 80 horsepower and 201 foot-pounds of torque, acceleration is similar to a Honda Civic. Water vapor is the only exhaust. The FCX has an EPA certified range of 170 miles and seating for four people, making it practical for a wide range of real-world applications.

Honda undertook fuel cell research in 1989 and has been road testing vehicles in the United States since 1999. Honda has also been a member of the California Fuel Cell Partnership based in Sacramento, California, since 1999.
 
Apparently its resonably simply to crack propane or natural gas and extract hydrogen.

There is already a wide distribution network for such gasses. (Or you could co-opt the pipes and ship hydrogen gas)
 
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