Analyst: Wii Shortages until 2009; Mass market not ready for High-def gaming

If you truely believe that their is no difference between IQ of an SD and HDTV set then you're speaking from a minority perspective my friend..
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I think you misread my post. What I mean is if you look at PAL content on a HDTV there is a obvious differenace for the worse with a SDTV. HDTV gives a blurry image while the SD is sharp.

I don't know why people utter such arguements unless they really haven't seen a HDTV broadcasting HD quality footage at all..
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Thats the beauty, we have no to very little HD content on TV here in Holland and still alot of people buy HDTV's! Starting to see my point? People dont buy HDTV's for the quality but because they look nice in the living rooms. Thats why I dont think HDTV in itself will have a big impact on Wii sales once the majority has HDtv's.
 
tongue_of_colicab said:
I think you misread my post. What I mean is if you look at PAL content on a HDTV there is a obvious differenace for the worse with a SDTV. HDTV gives a blurry image while the SD is sharp.



Thats the beauty, we have no to very little HD content on TV here in Holland and still alot of people buy HDTV's! Starting to see my point? People dont buy HDTV's for the quality but because they look nice in the living rooms. Thats why I dont think HDTV in itself will have a big impact on Wii sales once the majority has HDtv's.
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Ah sorry I must have read your point wrong!
I agree that the impact of HDTV may not affect Wii sales but it does have the potential to and if it does, it could impact sales significantly..
 
Well I fail to see how it could have a big impact. Afterall the Wii was never ment as a gfx heavy machine. If you hook it up to your HDtv you'll just go from ''crap'' on your SDtv to a bit more ''crappy''. I dont see how that would put someone off. If they cared about the ''crap'' gfx they wouldnt have bought a Wii in the first place no matter if they have a SD or HDtv.
 
Dr Evil said:
I think you are being a bit conservative on that 10% figure, I believe it's more and rising as we speak, even in Europe the stores are basically sellling HDTVs only at this point and I expect the situation to be quite similar in the US. I also believe that there is lot's of overlapping happening between console and HDTV owners, because it makes sense to have HD signal on your HDTV. I do understand that a high reason for people buying these TVs is the looks, but it's not the only reason.

10% of the mass market in US is already quite many homes, PS2 sold what about 40 million units in NA? and we know that this 10% figure is rising very rapidly if it hasn't already. Not everyone is going to buy the HD-console today, the sales happen throughout the console's lifetime and I have seen little evidence that the adoption rate of the HDTVs is limiting the sales of the HD consoles. The price tag is. That will change soon enough. A more valid concern would be that, can Nintendo sustain the interest of gamers during the rapid increase of the HDTV market?
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FYI there are roughly 100 million homes in the US. 10% here is about right.
 
Hmm. Looks like I was mistaken. This survey just came out a couple of weeks ago.

http://www.tvweek.com/page.cms?pageId=680

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]About 28 percent of U.S. households have an HD television set, according to a new study by the Consumer Electronics Association.
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The last surveys I saw in 2006 were in the 10% range. Must've been a gangbusters christmas. I stand corrected. :)
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interesting survey from Las Vegas journal (no link to actual story) which states...

Over 90% gave a response which resulted in a scenario where the signal displayed was no higher than 480p, most of which said "I just used the cables Sony packaged in." For those who were aware of HD cables failed to change the systems display settings to 720p / 1080i/p.
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I really think Sony should have packed in HDMI/component cables instead of just composite.

most people even with HDTVs are seeing their PS3 in SDTV (exceptions of course being people similar to those who frequent this board) they are not even seeing the impressive visuals possible with a PS3 and an HDTV.
 
Natoma said:
Hmm. Looks like I was mistaken. This survey just came out a couple of weeks ago.

http://www.tvweek.com/page.cms?pageId=680



The last surveys I saw in 2006 were in the 10% range. Must've been a gangbusters christmas. I stand corrected. :)
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Without info on how the survey was taken I definitely wouldn't take it as fact. Though I'm not going to claim its untrue either of course.
 
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Tap In said:
interesting survey from Las Vegas journal (no link to actual story) which states...

I really think Sony should have packed in HDMI/component cables instead of just composite.

most people even with HDTVs are seeing their PS3 in SDTV (exceptions of course being people similar to those who frequent this board) they are not even seeing the impressive visuals possible with a PS3 and an HDTV.
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The rest of the text that you quoted:

I thought this was kind of interesting, if Sony isn't going to package in the appropiate cables, they should really make it idiot - proof (basically, shove onscreen messages telling people HD cables are needed for HD signals) during installation, or just include the appropiate accessories out of the box.

It's actually kind of surprising the press hasn't gotten on Sony's case regarding this issue.
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I think it's clear from the setup instructions and XBM settings that the user is in 480i only with the supplied cables. How did the respondents know they were in SD to answer the poll and yet not know to buy a cable? I'm not sure why this is relevant to this thread anyhow.

I agree that they should have included one HD cable (which one?), but a claim that 90% were too dumb and were tricked by Sony is not reality..
 
Natoma said:
Hmm. Looks like I was mistaken. This survey just came out a couple of weeks ago.

http://www.tvweek.com/page.cms?pageId=680



The last surveys I saw in 2006 were in the 10% range. Must've been a gangbusters christmas. I stand corrected. :)
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yep this holiday was crazy HD season in the states.

28% sounds right although I'm still convinced that more than 50% of those 28% are still using their HDTV's with only SD signals, thinking they are watching in HD because the screen is wide. :LOL:
 
Fu3lFr3nzy said:
Im somewhat annoyed when I read comments like this. You dont have to spend 1 grand to take advantage of the HD experience that X360/PS3 provides. In X360's case, you can use your current LCD monitor(which is @ mainstream prices nowadays) and get similar results with that of a HDTV.
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How is a 17" or 19" LCD a viable replacement for a 40+" TV in the living room? :LOL:
 
Im somewhat annoyed when I read comments like this. You dont have to spend 1 grand to take advantage of the HD experience that X360/PS3 provides. In X360's case, you can use your current LCD monitor(which is @ mainstream prices nowadays) and get similar results with that of a HDTV.
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See, I'm sure plenty more people own a monitor than they own HD TVs, but they sure as hell aren't using them to hook up their PS3/360 because it's a pain in the butt. Hell, I didn't even know you can hook up a PS3 or 360 to it. Well, I had a feeling it might be possible, but with all the HDMI talk, I guess I forgot about it. Not to mention if you have only one monitor, and someone wants to play while someone else needs to work, you're going to have problems. I guess you can always buy another monitor since they are relatively cheap compared to HD TVs.
 
DeadlyNinja said:
See, I'm sure plenty more people own a monitor than they own HD TVs, but they sure as hell aren't using them to hook up their PS3/360 because it's a pain in the butt. Hell, I didn't even know you can hook up a PS3 or 360 to it. Well, I had a feeling it might be possible, but with all the HDMI talk, I guess I forgot about it. Not to mention if you have only one monitor, and someone wants to play while someone else needs to work, you're going to have problems. I guess you can always buy another monitor since they are relatively cheap compared to HD TVs.
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You can connect an Xbox 360 to a Pc monitor with the official VGA cable.. As long as you have a line-in on your speakers it's no hassle at all to setup..

PS3 maybe a bit trickier as you'll probably need some form of HDMI-to-DVI converter and i'm not sure if it works in all cases.. Conseqeuntly you could get ahold of a monitor that supports HDMI and HDCP but from what i've seen in terms of pricing (in the UK at least) you might as well get a HDTV for the price of one.. There was a thread about this anyway if you care to search for it...

I've been gaming on my monitor since I had my xbox... I was a student and didn't have a TV so it was much more convenient for me...

I just bought my 360 today so i'll be using it with one of my 19" monitors for my PC (I can still use the other one because I have a duel-screen setup)...

To be honest if your looking for the HD fix and you can't afford to shell out for a HDTV then gaming through a monitor is the only way to fly...
 
archangelmorph said:
Contrary to poular belief:

- It's not everyone who owns 40+" TVs

- It's not everyone who plays video games in their living room
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Not everyone has 40'' tv's indeed. But I never ever seen anyone with a 17 or 19'' tv in their livingroom.

Indeed not everybody want to play videogames in their livingroom, but I highly doubt that besides pc games wich you play close up to your monitor people want to play on a 19'', let alone a 17'' screen. Even when I was young and had a SNES people wernt playing on such small screens.
 
tongue_of_colicab said:
Not everyone has 40'' tv's indeed. But I never ever seen anyone with a 17 or 19'' tv in their livingroom.

Indeed not everybody want to play videogames in their livingroom, but I highly doubt that besides pc games wich you play close up to your monitor people want to play on a 19'', let alone a 17'' screen. Even when I was young and had a SNES people wernt playing on such small screens.
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You my friend... Have had a VERY cushy life!!

When I grew up (in my working class neighbourhood) you'd be lucky to find someone you knew with a TV over 30" in the living room and when you did the parents of the household forbid us playing games on it... We spent most of our time relegated to squash ourselves around a 15" TV set trying to play 4- player split-screen diddy Kong racing (not easy)..

Maybe its because the general cost of consumer electronics in the US is cheaper I don't know but even today most housholds i've ever visited don't have anything more than one 32" TV in the living room and small 15-20" sets in the bedrooms..

Unless you're a 30 yr old bachelor who games then your family of non-gamers are not going to take too kindly to you hogging the big HD set downstairs to play games they don't care about when eastenders is on... It's just not going to happen...!
 
_xxx_ said:
How is a 17" or 19" LCD a viable replacement for a 40+" TV in the living room? :LOL:
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Hooray, my statement was completely misunderstood :p :LOL:

I never said anything about replacing a large HDTV in the living room with a LCD monitor.

What I was trying to get across was you dont need to spend 1k to get the HD experience with the X360 because LCD monitors has HD resolutions.

Unless a consumer is so picky that he wont enjoy PS3/X360 unless its played on a very large flat panel, the monitor is a viable option to experience high def goodness on a small scale.
 
phat said:
I can see a lot of parents thinking, we'll get Johnny a Wii/PS2 now, and a PS3/360 later when we have an HD television.
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That's kind of my point. We're seeing strong Wii sales now because a lot of people are making exactly that decision... but PS3/360 sales will have more stamina because two or three years down the road, as prices drop, people who have been wanting one will pick it up then and enjoy the HD gaming. Fewer people are holding out on a Wii purchase now and planning on getting one later.
 
tongue_of_colicab said:
In 3 years time marketshare will already be settled. If the wii has by far the biggest marketshare it wont matter x360 and ps3 will offer better gfx (x30 and ps3 wont be that great 3 years from now anyway compared to what we can do by then) because Wii is were the money is. Besides that the Wii offers something ps3 and x360 cant offer so even if everybody has the need for HD gfx there will still be a market for Wii.
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I simply don't agree. The Wii and 360/PS3 do seem to be attracting different markets, with some obvious overlap. Even if Wii has the most consoles sold in 3 years, you won't see publishers giving the cold shoulder to the HD side in favor of Wii exclusives. The content will definitely be there for the 360/PS3. And with good content, I still propose that the 360/PS3 will have much more sales stamina than the Wii.

No, the Wii isn't a graphics only machine. It has a unique gameplay, is at home on SDTV's, and has a significantly lower entry price than the other two. People who want one are buying one NOW. It will continue to sell, especially as a system for Junior down the road, but not in the numbers IMO that we will see for PS3/360. Those two will have a larger market three years out because of people who (1) held off until the price dropped and (2) held off until they purchase an HDTV or weren't interested until they purchased an HDTV.

I'm not saying we will see Wii sales stop in three years and PS3/360 skyrocket, just that over the next few years the growth curves will look distinctly different, with HD console sales three years from now significantly outpacing Wii sales, and that gap only continuing to widen through the rest of their lifespan (unless N has a much, much short life cycle planned this time).
 
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