You don't really know what made Vega 10 so good at hashing, do you?
Yes and thank Good engineers at AMD were so insightfull, so they put HBM on gaming product in case of failure, so it could excel on hashing rate. They are true geniuses lol
You don't really know what made Vega 10 so good at hashing, do you?
Yes keep changing the goalposts, that's a good trolling tactic.
1 - Vega was such a failure HBM is so bad
2 - Vega sold well b-but it was only because of mining, not HBM
3 - Hashing was good because of HBM b-but it's still bad because it's not gaming
4 - ?
Yes Vega was sold out. But not because it was most successfull GPU in AMD history nor because it uses HBM. Actually it was mining craze who save Vegas and RTG ass...
GTX1070 was failure ? Well then I agree you trully must live in an alternative universe
You are talking in the past.
And are upset that AMD offered HBM memory to end-users for $499~$699. And while AMD's 7nm Pro cards, along with Nvidia's both use HBM. The fact that is cost more doesn't matter, it performs better too. So what is your point..?
HBM is coming down in price and getting faster.
Wishful? It's middle school physics... HBM simply will use less power for the IO with the shorter distances to drive a signal. There are very good reasons why all the high bandwidth devices are using it. AMD, Nvidia, and others.it's just a wishful thinking....
To save energy ? look at the power consumption of Nvidia Pascal/Turing and compare them with Vega. Nvidia doesn't need to use HBM to keep power consumption of their GPUs down and they don't need them to maintain high bandwidth either.
Yes, only because it uses a more advanced process. Process aside, it's GDDR5 with some controller tweaks for narrower channels.Do we know if GDDR6 need less power than gddr5 ?
Yes, only because it uses a more advanced process. Process aside, it's GDDR5 with some controller tweaks for narrower channels.
HBM wins at "signal power" but it loses out at total power due to crap IO dies on the HBM itself. Imho AMD used an immature technology too early for the mass market.Wishful? It's middle school physics... HBM simply will use less power for the IO with the shorter distances to drive a signal. There are very good reasons why all the high bandwidth devices are using it. AMD, Nvidia, and others.
This whole line of reasoning is just plain stupid.
Yes, only because it uses a more advanced process. Process aside, it's GDDR5 with some controller tweaks for narrower channels.
Do you have any data on that? Everything official has power reduction per gb of bandwidth vs gddr.HBM wins at "signal power" but it loses out at total power due to crap IO dies on the HBM itself. Imho AMD used an immature technology too early for the mass market.
Of course I am talking in the past, I am not prophet, I can't talk about future ;-) do you ?
And I will repeat myself again, I have nothing against HBM technology, it's actually good technogy. But looking at the technology from wider point of view.
Nvidia is much better financial wise than AMD and yet they used HBM only on high marging products, where price cover all expenses. On customer and gaming products they used more common memory and it turns out to be a better strategy than AMD did with Vega10. Nvida launched new GPUs on market sooner than AMD and with better margins. AMD choice of HBM caused them only troubles, delays, higher manufacturing cost due to TSV and HBM packaging and yet they were slower than Nvidias counterparts.The higher cost of HBM also prohibited AMD from releasing RX Vega 11 as Polaris replacement.... Vega Mobile got on laptops very late... etc.
Perhaps in future HBM will be more common on graphic and it will be good, but for now it didn't any good to AMD/RTG especially from gaming perspective and gaming GPUs. If Navi uses GDDR6 it will have a better chances to succeed than Vega 10 with HBM.
I believe AMD gave a favorable comparison of the absolute power consumption of the memory subsystem in Fury versus the 290's GDDR5 subsystem.Do you have any data on that? Everything official has power reduction per gb of bandwidth vs gddr.
Again, you are in the past....
Also, no need to look into the future, what about what is already here currently..? Vega 64 selling @ $400 bucks, it has HBM memory. Why are you so angry at that fact and not able to weigh that against how big a chip the $400 V64 is, vs something 7nm and smaller & natively faster, (w/possible 2Ghz HBM)..?
You seem perplexed. Such a chip won't cost more... because of TODAY's HBM prices. It just won't cost as little as GDDR6. Again, You keep reflecting on last years prices & performance, without understanding today's and tomorrow's prices. GDDR6 will be great on a pure cheap gaming card, but a high-end GPU would best be served with HBM modules.
Again, you don't have to know the future, but you just can't stand there and be ignorant about it either. Memory is coming down in price & getting faster.
2080Ti is quit abit faster then a 2080 non ti though.