A survey of our American friends and their politcal standing
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Actually, McDonald's and the like won't hire unemployed engineers and the like because they know they'll quit in an instant once they find a new job.
Sabastian said:
More power to them. I hate people smoking next to me when I'm eating.
Well I am in a union and sheesh the 10$ a week they take out of my paycheck is really gonna kill me. 
Its simple I compared my job in the private and\or non union sector with unionized one...
There are so many lousy employers out there I think unions still have a roll but if the employer is decent then no unions are likely necessary. But to generalize the idea the things that affected the dissaperaracne of unions is pretty weak imho. Unemployment has an enormous effect on wages... unions or not...
Its simple I compared my job in the private and\or non union sector with unionized one...There are so many lousy employers out there I think unions still have a roll but if the employer is decent then no unions are likely necessary. But to generalize the idea the things that affected the dissaperaracne of unions is pretty weak imho. Unemployment has an enormous effect on wages... unions or not...
Or support laws that ban smoking in public restaurants.
pax said:
Centuries old slavery is definately a good way of putting it.
Ingrained perceptions of white of blacks and blacks about themselves you say. Are you suggesting that some how genetically the effects of past racism have been passed on?
I am just not seeing tis racism today! Blacks have monumental opportunities before them and they refuse to achieve to the same level as everyone else in the US. That is their choicePax this argument is assinine. The jews have experienced thousands of years of oppression and bigotry. Why is it they have rebounded everytime? Because they have a desire to achieve. They value achievements. The same can be said for all others who put forth the effort to achieve.
If we venture to explore black culture in america you will find several prominent themes: "universal victimism", "univeral direspect", and "universal indolence". These themes are constantly pounded into the heads of most african americans to uneducated to see otherwise by their music, polititians, etc.
African Americans will never achieve anything unless they themselves stand up and stop wallowing in the mudd.
If we look apon successful african americans what will we find? A general desire to succeed, education, and work ethic. No one can force you to have any of these. To obtain these one must put forth effort. Their existance serves only to prove african americans can achieve is they put forth the same amount of effort.
pax said:
Except unemployment isn't controlled by the people who pay the wages. Its controlled by the economy as a whole.
Companies hire who they need to produce the product they can sell. If they decide in a nefarious plot (to sell less so that they can hire less so that they can keep the wages low), some other company will do the hiring and producing such that the unemployment/wages equation will balance.
RussSchultz said:
whatever. You can get school books and open them up and read. For God's Sake they could go to damn library. No one said achieving would be easy. Likewise no one can force you to achieve. Why have so many others who are black achieved? Because they put for the effort to do so!
Shall we put them down, like a lame horse?Legion said:
Eh? What? I just demonstrated that you cannot always find a job in an instant like you were claiming.
I personally WOULD work at McDonalds or the grocery market if I lost my job, but only until I could find an engineering job again, I just know (from some friends' unemployment experience) that many companies will not hire vastly overqualified people who they know are going to be temporary. I had a few friends that remained unemployed for over a year--even after trying the local supermarket, bars, restaurants, etc.
I personally WOULD work at McDonalds or the grocery market if I lost my job, but only until I could find an engineering job again, I just know (from some friends' unemployment experience) that many companies will not hire vastly overqualified people who they know are going to be temporary. I had a few friends that remained unemployed for over a year--even after trying the local supermarket, bars, restaurants, etc.
Diff context with jews legion. Its not good to make comparisons. If the blacks had been confronted by a genocidal maniac\regime they might have reacted differently... I think in america specifically anti semitism was nowhere as bad as slavery\racism... But jews have an extraordianry resilience to oppression which is eons old. Blacks might develop that over such long periods of time too if they were unfortunate enought to be on the receiveing end of that.
We're of course simplfying her. The experiences of blacks in america is diff from what other ethnic\social group has seen. Its not just laziness and greed from easy drug sales vs arduous efforts needed for education that has created the current situation. Its obviously a combination of things... We should debate the weight individual influences have on such things instead of generalizing the causes.
We're of course simplfying her. The experiences of blacks in america is diff from what other ethnic\social group has seen. Its not just laziness and greed from easy drug sales vs arduous efforts needed for education that has created the current situation. Its obviously a combination of things... We should debate the weight individual influences have on such things instead of generalizing the causes.
Dr. Ffreeze
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pax,
Keep the comments commin. =)
Wow, that is not bad at all. My bud was in a union 5 years ago. It was $100 to join, then weekly dues were $20 for a 20 hour work week. I would be very upset if I was giving someone that did nothing for me $1 for every hour I worked.
Are there so many lousy employers? I have only had good experiences (not to say that their are not any, just that I have not had one). Could you not just quit and find an employer that cares?
I agree. =)
Hmm, well if business were taking much better care of their employees compared to when they had sweatshops how is that too much of a stretch? Business is very competitive. People are a very good resource. Would it not follow that business would learn to maximize their resources therefore take care of their people, therefore unions are needed less?
Just a thought,
Dr. Ffreeze
PS. Food for Thought: I have not really had any long term bad work experiences. I have been lucky enough to surround myself with hard working people, good bosses, and people that have been quite poor that have pulled themselves up to very nice wages. This I am sure colors my worldview. /ponder =)
Keep the comments commin. =)
Wow, that is not bad at all. My bud was in a union 5 years ago. It was $100 to join, then weekly dues were $20 for a 20 hour work week. I would be very upset if I was giving someone that did nothing for me $1 for every hour I worked.
Are there so many lousy employers? I have only had good experiences (not to say that their are not any, just that I have not had one). Could you not just quit and find an employer that cares?
I agree. =)
Hmm, well if business were taking much better care of their employees compared to when they had sweatshops how is that too much of a stretch? Business is very competitive. People are a very good resource. Would it not follow that business would learn to maximize their resources therefore take care of their people, therefore unions are needed less?
Just a thought,
Dr. Ffreeze
PS. Food for Thought: I have not really had any long term bad work experiences. I have been lucky enough to surround myself with hard working people, good bosses, and people that have been quite poor that have pulled themselves up to very nice wages. This I am sure colors my worldview. /ponder =)
I dont think its true to generalize the Mcdees thing too.. I applied as a teenager 3 times to MacDoodle and never got in.. why? Cuz there were 3-4 applicants for those summer jobs for every job Rotten Ronnies had to offer...
You guys better not hope too many of those engineering jobs get outsourced to India\China\Russia...
You guys better not hope too many of those engineering jobs get outsourced to India\China\Russia...